Ho's and ropes

[Slate]

   Avoid Ho's at all cost!

  Most ho's are on the initial merge because the ho will never stick around long enough to fight or will disengage to set up another ho.

[waystin2]

Nose to nose is a HO whether roped or not.  I am not passing judgement, as it matters little to me.  If I have a survivable gun solution I will take it.  I suggest that you do the same while in the MA's.

[Kazaa]

I take no quarter in the main arena, that is unless I’m 100% sure the enemy is a good stick and is willing to use “1v1 rules”.

[MORAY37]

When roping, I look out the back and wait to see his plane shudder (he's fighting to keep that little nose pointed up).  As soon as i see this, pull full flaps and roll it over.... By the time I get there, his guns are pointed at the ground and his six is D200 or less.

I had someone say I ho'd him two weeks ago, when I followed him up a rope (I was Ki84, he was P51)... he misjudged my climb, stalled, rolled over and pointed at me under 200 ( I still had 175 IAS)... I already had 50 rounds of 20mm out the guns on the way.  He went boom.  Then called me a ho shooter.

 I had to laugh.

[Yeager]

I dont mind any fellow taking any shot on me he can get.  Thats the game.  The only thing I try to avoid, with any regularity either way at least, is the ram. 

Sometimes cant be avoided but I try.  Thats what I consider good form.  Bad form is being a whiner.

In my opinion, if you had the shot and declined to take it...for whatever reason, then you screwed up

[gpwurzel]

Some interesting opinions - given whats been said, I need to learn a bit more patience, not loop over so quick and let them stall out properly, then kill them.

Thought it would be an interesting discussion.


Did I screw up by not taking the shot, probably, but ya know, I had fun in the fight and avoided taking a shot I wasnt sure was clean.

Thanks for the replies gents,



Wurzel

[Shuffler]

This is something that I (for some reason) got concerned about. When roping a plane and you loop back over the top, and he's still on the way up, but obviously not going to catch you - would that count as a ho?

Asking as I got into a fight with someone in a f4u, roped and declined the shot on the way down (subsequently lost, but thats not important) - got asked why I didnt take the shot that was there, which would have won the fight (well, had I hit with it anyway  ). Curious as to opinion on whether this was a ho or not basically. The guy I was fighting was of the opinion that it was a valid shot just fyi.

Dont need a flame fest, just opinons

I've always been hesitant in taking this particular shot (not sure why, just have been) so thought I'd ask.

Thankeee in advance,



Wurzel

If you took the shot regardless if it was right or wrong, it would have not been up to your personal standards. So don't sweat it. Some play for the kill, some play for the fight. <S>

[crazyivan]

I say we ban the word HO. seems to me it causes more trouble than good. j/k , or am I.  If you follow a plane vert, and start to stall. Just

say oops, when the bullets come raining down. Dont go on 200 and call them a hoer to save face.

Iv'e gone up the ladder guns blazing too. Just don't get mad if it turns out bad.

[Yeager]

If you took the shot regardless if it was right or wrong

When is taking a shot right or wrong? 

In your opinion.....of course?

[Bosco123]

Not a HO. They have no control over their plane, and they are just blind firing.
What gets me is, the people that wait untill you are just about to stall, then pull up to HO you, isn't their any other move that you can do?

[shreck]

It's a HO if you are in a spit only 

[gpwurzel]

  Guilty as charged Shreck - but you already knew that 




Wurzel

[Infidelz]

Come at me head on and I will HO you. If you don't like it, make a 180 degree turn and make it easy for me. Its a completely valid tactic. remember if you lose... DBBTMS

Infidelz

[Steve]

Some interesting opinions - given whats been said, I need to learn a bit more patience, not loop over so quick and let them stall out properly, then kill them.

 If you do this they are often going to  be able to avoid you. Time your reversal so that they stall as you get a gun solution.This way they cannot evade. In other words, begin to come back down before they stall.  If you find you 've started to come around too early cut throttle to keep from rushing down at them.... maybe drop flaps to keep flying. It's a matter of timing.

 Two very short films for demonstration:

http://www.mediafire.com/?z2wmwznyd4j


http://www.mediafire.com/?jwtim3mztu5

[Steve]

Its a completely valid tactic for noobs.

Infidelz

not really, but one can continue to hope they develop the skills to actually learn to fight.