Star Trek 2009

[Lord ReDhAwK]

The family and I really liked it    Great little nuances back to the old series (remember the guy that died on the sky dive?  what color shirt was he wearing?)  My son picked right up on it   He told the guy on screen to change his shirt before something bad happened.

ReDhAwK

[Sabre]

Saw it on Saturday.  Overall, it was a good movie.  The guy who played McCoy nailed his character. Liked Spock, though they over did the emotionalism IMO.  Totally missed the fact that the guy who died in the orbital skydive was a red shirt .  My only problem was with the whole premiss that on the brand new Fed flagship, there were no other field grade or company grade officers with more seniority than Kirk, besides Spock that is.  Also had a problem with Checkov being there at all.  In the film, he is asked how old he is, and he answers "17". Come on! The guy's not old enough to be out of high school, let alone be a commissioned ensign.  And we're supposed to believe that Kirk enlisted, then managed to get accepted to SF Academy, in less than 3 years???  And how come he's suddenly a leutenant, rather than an ensign, right out of the Academy, which he didn't technically graduate from because he was on academic suspension at the time Nero attachs?  Finally, I don't care if he DID just save the planet.  There's no friggin way he'd get instantly promoted from LT (did I mention he should only have been an ensign at most) straight to Captain (the rank, not the position)? That's like jumping three or four ranks !

Okay, got that off my chest.  Great effects.  Loved the starship combat sequences.  I thought there was good use of humor, which was a hallmark of the original series and sorely lacking in every series since.  They tried to squeze just a bit too much into two hours, but over all I enjoyed the movie.

[Skuzzy]

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Sabre, the nod to Kirk's getting cooked by the Academy, for cheating, was to demo one of the changes to the timeline due to the intervention of the bad guy.

Remember, in the original time line Kirk got a commendation from the Academy for coming up with his unique solution to the Kobayashi Maru scenario.  That did not play out in the new time line.

I do agree they tried to cram too much into two hours, but given it was only two hours, I think the choices made were pretty well thought out.

I am looking forward to the next movie.

[WWhiskey]

Best Star Trek movie to date, as far as I am concerned.

I really liked how he weaved in the little character shots you only knew about if you know the history of Star Trek, and yet still made it work for those who had never seen a Star Trek film or series at all.

Brilliantly done, overall.

+1

only flaw i found

BTW Spoiler
why did spock have all that red liquid with him?
seemed to be a stupid mistake on his part, since it only takes a drop to destroy a planet or star

just being picky i guess

[Tango]

Heres one that the altered timeline doesn't explain.

Why was Kirk's mother on board the ship at the beginning? According to STNG they had just started letting families come on board the ships in that series because of the long missons they had. Doesn't explain why she was on board pregnant.

[Wolfala]

The greatest Star Trek battle scenes are fan made... Believe it or not!

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLk0hhWBhEE

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=PucduOfLkvI

Dude...holy toejam.

[trax1]

The movie was definitely well done, and I really like the whole altered time line aspect, I didn't see that coming at all, this leaves the sequels open to a lot of choices and not restricting them to things that we know to have happened based on the T.V series, like the Vulcan home world getting destroyed, & Uhura & Spock hooking up. 

I'm really looking forward to what they do with the series from here on out.

[Saxman]

Dude...holy noodles.

Nice videos and I dug the coup de gras by the old Constitution-refit against the one ship in the second vid (I never watched B5 so I got no idea what that was). However they also very effectively illustrate my beef with the space battles in Star Trek: massive ships hundreds of meters long flying around like it's a WWII dogfight with absolutely no concept of the degree of freedom those ships have. The only time they came close to getting it right was Wrath of Khan (especially the Enterprise's popup behind Reliant at the end). Think Age of Sail man-o-war's crossed with submarines.

Unbelievable that after 40-50 years of TV and films, they're still stuck in the mindset of "Two-dimensional thinking."

[Die Hard]

Nice videos and I dug the coup de gras by the old Constitution-refit against the one ship in the second vid (I never watched B5 so I got no idea what that was). However they also very effectively illustrate my beef with the space battles in Star Trek: massive ships hundreds of meters long flying around like it's a WWII dogfight with absolutely no concept of the degree of freedom those ships have. The only time they came close to getting it right was Wrath of Khan (especially the Enterprise's popup behind Reliant at the end). Think Age of Sail man-o-war's crossed with submarines.

Unbelievable that after 40-50 years of TV and films, they're still stuck in the mindset of "Two-dimensional thinking."

If they tried to make it in any way close to what is realistic, star ships would fight it out at huge distances probably measuring in light-seconds or even light-minutes. Makes for boring visuals.

[Saxman]

Even if they don't use the range I wouldn't mind seeing them use TACTICS that would make sense.

It strikes me that most Federation starships (Miranda-class and larger) would fit into the role of the classical frigate. Fast, heavily armed, maneuverable, positioning themselves to rake the target from off-angles where they can bring more of their guns to bear (Constitution refits could put 9 phasers into a classic broadside: as many six from the primary hull, two of the four ventral guns, and one of the two aft guns). Taking advantage of the freedom of space this would extend to circle-strafing forward or backwards, popping up/dropping down and sliding left/right, and rolling to keep as many guns on target as possible.

Ships like the Defiant and Bird of Prey, yeah, they fit more into the torpedo boat role so I can see those high-speed, nose-on gunnery passes there. But it's silly watching ships like the Sovereign and Galaxy-class, which are bristling with phasers fore and aft, constantly making those same head-on passes

IMO they've significantly over-emphasize the photon and quantum torpedoes, too. They were always ever intended as a secondary weapon due to their limited inventory, but in later films and series they're expending them like crazy.

[Die Hard]

You need to stop thinking like a tactician and start thinking like a director. You need to fit everything in the frame and the action must not confuse the audience (whom for the most part would not understand an iota of what you just said).

Also you need to tone down the trekkie-autism... It's a movie, not a Star Trek documentary.

[Saxman]

You need to stop thinking like a tactician and start thinking like a director. You need to fit everything in the frame and the action must not confuse the audience (whom for the most part would not understand an iota of what you just said).

Also you need to tone down the trekkie-autism... It's a movie, not a Star Trek documentary.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to see a director actually make an effort to make things look believable. That's part of the suspension of disbelief, especially for people who actually DO have a clue and like their flash to have a bit substance to go with it. Yeah, the lightsaber duels in the Prequel Trilogy were flashy fun for ADHD audiences, but anyone who has a halfway decent idea of how to ACTUALLY fight is left groaning by the absurdity of it all, especially when you can watch the Original Trilogy and see that, "Hey, there's actually some pretty decent fundamentals in there."

Because believe it or not, if you make an effort to get the drill, the formations, the tactics, the technique right, you end up with a BETTER and more entertaining result. And people NOTICE when it's wrong (that's one of the biggest complaints I've always read about Braveheart and the Patriot. Oh, and I may as well also mention Pearl Harbor, too, as its CGI nonsense makes for a perfect comparison). Ships that are intended to be a half a mile or bigger massing hundreds of thousands, into the MULTI-MILLION ton range zipping around and turning on dimes just LOOKS absurd, and that kills MY suspension of disbelief.

[Die Hard]

And people NOTICE when it's wrong (that's one of the biggest complaints I've always read about Braveheart and the Patriot. Oh, and I may as well also mention Pearl Harbor, too, as its CGI nonsense makes for a perfect comparison).

Most of the complaining is done by a vocal minority (you); this thread is a perfect example of that. The new Star Trek movie is climbing the IMDB charts as we speak, and is now the #59 most popular movie ever. That's what counts. That's what makes money.

[Beefcake]

Actually thats one thing I liked about the movie Die Hard linked. For those B5 fans (like me) you'll noticed the Intrepid Class Destroyers lumber along and don't move like the Starfleet ships. This is one thing that I liked about B5, the capital ships all had a "heavy" movement too them being very slow to come about or dodge out of the way of incoming fire.

And by the way, there is no way in hell that Babylon 5 was that lightly armed like in that video. One third of the way through the series the station received a heavy refit to her weapons and was easily capable of destroying heavy warships on her own. Freaking biased Trekkie made that film. 

[Chalenge]

Also had a problem with Checkov being there at all.  In the film, he is asked how old he is, and he answers "17". Come on! The guy's not old enough to be out of high school, let alone be a commissioned ensign.  And we're supposed to believe that Kirk enlisted, then managed to get accepted to SF Academy, in less than 3 years??? 

He is supposed to be a genius and that would explain it.