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Offline Stoney

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Re: generation kill
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2009, 08:22:17 PM »
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One of the funniest scenes in the whole series.
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Re: generation kill
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2009, 09:22:34 AM »
I finally got around to seeing this one.

I liked it for the most part. It's hard to compare it to shows like "Band of Brothers" because it was a long run for a short slide. There was action but nothing on the scale of WW2 or Vietnam. A low body count is excellent for operations, but not worth as much for Hollywood.

That said, I didn't find fault with the acting, and I thought the directors did a good job building tension and setting us up for the letdowns (like the taking of the airfield lol). These Marines were much like the Marine's I served with, only tougher. As has been mentioned in the threat previously, it passed the smell test wrt "realism."

The one criticism that I have is that the writing suffers from too much perspective bias. If you go by Evan Wright's account, then 1lt Nate Fick, is the only competent officer in the United States Marine Corps. Everyone else up the chain of command, including LtCol. Ferrando is a total chowderhead (though I did like that they at least gave him a chance to explain himself in the end).


I wholeheartedly encourage anyone with any interest in the subject to read the original Rolling Stone articles:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938873/the_killer_elite/

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Re: generation kill
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2009, 09:27:21 AM »
I liked "Over There" better.



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Re: generation kill
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2009, 09:35:42 AM »

I wholeheartedly encourage anyone with any interest in the subject to read the original Rolling Stone articles:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938873/the_killer_elite/

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Better yet, read the book.

While you're at it, might want to read Nate Fick's book also.
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2009, 09:42:16 AM »
Better yet, read the book.

While you're at it, might want to read Nate Fick's book also.

Having been unemployed for the past 3 months, I'll stick to the freebees :)

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Re: generation kill
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2009, 09:45:16 AM »
Agreed.  Reading Nate Fick's book provides some proper perspective that balances out Evan Wrigiht's "perspective bias" that Sikboy mentions.  Reading both books you get both viewpoints, and they dovetail together nicely, even though one may place more or less importance on a certain series of events.  Probably the reason that Wright made Fick look like the only competent officer was because, to the Marines in that platoon, he appeared to be.  Obviously, that insular perspective creates that.  One thing I learned was that the more senior I got, the more sense senior-level decision making made.  But, ultimately, I think there was a lot of flawed leadership throught 1 MarDiv during OIF, but that's just my personal opinion.  I was simply encouraged that HBO had the guts to make that series just like the book presented it, without any sort of agenda.
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Re: generation kill
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2009, 09:48:13 AM »
Having been unemployed for the past 3 months, I'll stick to the freebees :)

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I loaned my GK book to a friend. When I get it back, I'll send it to you.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2009, 09:57:22 AM »
I loaned my GK book to a friend. When I get it back, I'll send it to you.

Sweet!

I agree with Stoney that the bias originates with the Marines involved. It just wouldn't be an effective unit if they didn't think their Lt was the best Platoon commander, and that their Sergeants weren't the best Squad leaders ect. And I loved the portrayal of Fick up to the end, where it appeared to me (and obviously I'm judging a character in a movie not the man on the ground) that he made a political judgment and applied that to tactical orders.

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Re: generation kill
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2009, 11:57:11 AM »
  Most realistic depiction of deployed Marines that I've seen. 

+1

Thought they did an outstanding job.
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Re: generation kill
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2009, 01:45:14 PM »
GK was about as close as I've seen a show get to how we acted in the Corps....







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Ive heard some awful stories recently about the corps, something about a massacre of a village of women and children.......
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Re: generation kill
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2009, 02:09:43 PM »
Junky,

Are you referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_killings

or something new?

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Re: generation kill
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2009, 02:47:43 PM »
If I remember right all charges were dropped except for 1 Marine.


I know you're an Army puke, so i'll forgive you   :aok

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2009, 04:03:53 PM »
If I remember right all charges were dropped except for 1 Marine.


I know you're an Army puke, so i'll forgive you   :aok



It takes a while for news to get to Korea I think.

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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2009, 10:37:03 PM »
It takes a while for news to get to Korea I think.

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My team leader, an x marine, told me about it its been in the the theaters we are in now. Not just being in Korea, AFN doesn't like to show much bad things to troops, hurts morale. Army has it issues too, but killing the innocent is unforgivable, I wonder if you all know that however many soldiers who did get in trouble were betrayed by a General who told them to set an example? That entire unit was to blame from the highest to the lowest, and people not handing out real justice should have it set upon them too. Just the way I feel at the time....sorry for ranting and understand I don't hate everyone in the Marine Corps, But this Army puke is an infantrymen, until i meet a marine infantrymen I say Army is more high speed :salute
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Re: generation kill
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2009, 11:14:31 PM »
My team leader, an x marine, told me about it its been in the the theaters we are in now.

You need more liberty in the ville.  And, I've got an idea that your team leader wasn't a 0311, 0331, etc...
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