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Offline AWwrgwy

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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2009, 05:53:40 PM »
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2009, 05:39:31 AM »
The Finnish symbol is the von Rosen cross if I recall right, and is the other way around (?) as well as blue. I think it originates from before the Nazis.
BTW, the biggest company in my town is the SS. They had that name in 1930....

Yes, it can be dated around 1918. Long before.
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2009, 12:51:16 PM »
The Finnish symbol is the von Rosen cross if I recall right, and is the other way around (?) as well as blue. I think it originates from before the Nazis.
BTW, the biggest company in my town is the SS. They had that name in 1930....

This US National Guard unit patch also predates the Nazis.


US postcard from the 1930s



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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2009, 02:33:47 PM »
A Hockey Team from Edmonton ;)



*Edmonton Swastikas Hockey Team 1916
Note that the goalie has a pre-1915 stick which is
wide on one side only - a classic example of it.


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'Lucky charm' swastika fob by Coca-Cola. 1920's USA.
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2009, 03:05:43 PM »
One of the Baltic countries used it on their war planes between wars too, "before Nazi use", I forget which.

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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2009, 03:07:35 PM »
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2009, 03:38:55 PM »
This US National Guard unit patch also predates the Nazis.
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US postcard from the 1930s
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2009, 03:45:22 PM »
good pictures  :aok
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2009, 11:15:11 AM »
wasn't this thread supposed to be about the BREWSTER,NOT a particular shape meaning many different things to many different people,one of them happening to represent Nazi-ism?

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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2009, 12:10:55 PM »
That particular shape happens to be painted on that particular Brewster's wings and fuselage and that one doesn't represent nazism. Thus it may be quite relevant to show that nazism was (has been) related to swastika only for a fairly short time. Hopefully their stains will soon wear off from the other swastikas.


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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #85 on: June 09, 2009, 02:13:47 PM »
we can only hope so

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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #86 on: June 09, 2009, 03:36:31 PM »
Of additional note any Continuation War event will be helped by the fact we have 109G2s and G6s in the game. These were important aircraft for the FAF during '43 to '45, "and probably beyond". Bringing in the LAGG-3 would kill two birds with one stone because the FAF operated a small number of captured ones, "I forget how many and hate google", and it was a very common adversary for the B-239s. The later models of LAGG-3s were probably worthwhile and "game quality". The FAF also flew a small number of Hurris, both 1s and 2s.

Its going to be interesting to see exactly what Brewster we get, and how "exactly" they are outfitted.

To be totally, historically accurate they have to be the 239s. The A-1's with the Wright R-1820s, "refurbished DC-3" engines, that were re-assembled in Sweden with the CV gear stripped, the armor stripped, and sights supplied by the Finns. I suspect the 4'th 0.50 would be included, and pilot armor, since all of the Buffs got this upgrade, "as far as I know".

As far as performance, rate of climb, fire power, bomb load, were talking an airplane in the FM-2 range. The 239s were lighter and climbed better, maybe turning a bit better the the later A-3s the USN and Brits later got.
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #87 on: June 09, 2009, 04:56:31 PM »
LaGG-3 would be great  :aok Also a downgraded La-5 (from current La-5FN) would be an easy new plane added.
FAF had only a couple of captured LaGG-3:s, but they would be wonderful targets on VVS side :)

FAF had only one Hurri II, which was put together from 2 separate captured Hurricanes. It was only used for test flights. The ones bought (12 of them, of which only 11 or 10 arrived) were Hurri I:s
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #88 on: June 09, 2009, 05:03:13 PM »
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Re: What's the Brewster?
« Reply #89 on: June 09, 2009, 05:25:45 PM »
Yeah, the 239s were much lighter then the A-3s, and for sure the FM-2s. That should translate into good climbs and nimble handling, while retaining the good ole Yank dive abilities.

I just spent a few sorties in the FM-2, which is a usefull aircraft and not, IMOHO, a Queen. The Buff deserves a chance to prove itself. If it comes in at about the Zeros weight it could be a interesting new addition. Im not going to say I wished for it but it could be a very interesting addition.
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