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Offline henchman

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Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« on: June 10, 2009, 07:08:17 AM »
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 07:20:52 AM »
Interesting find, you tend not to hear as much about Soviet subs, usually it's German, Japaneses, & U.S subs you hear more about. :aok

I wonder who the 4 passengers were that were on it.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2009, 12:56:21 AM »
Question:

If Sweden was neutral in WW2.....why are they claiming "credit" for the sinking? (Along with Finland)

Things dat make ya go hmmmmmm.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2009, 01:00:11 AM »
Quote from: MORAY37 on June 13, 2009, 12:56:21 AM
Question:

If Sweden was neutral in WW2.....why are they claiming "credit" for the sinking? (Along with Finland)

Things dat make ya go hmmmmmm.

Because it was in Swedish waters?

Many people make the mistake of assuming "neutral" means "friendly" when it in most cases means "shoots at everyone". However, Sweden was a de facto German ally in WWII.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2009, 05:25:55 AM »
Quote from: MORAY37 on June 13, 2009, 12:56:21 AM
Question:

If Sweden was neutral in WW2.....why are they claiming "credit" for the sinking? (Along with Finland)

Things dat make ya go hmmmmmm.

Because the swedes defended their borders just like any country would? Don't you remember the swedes depth charging russian u-boats in 80's?
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2009, 05:54:32 AM »
WHAT!!!! Posted 7:08 Wednesday morning??No wonder I dont see any gain share pay at work!!!!Instead of working your goofing off on the internet!I am saving this to my "evidence" file for when I present my case to Garry,As soon as he comes back from his big D+D meet in Vegas  :aok

I remember when Norway or Sweeden I believe it was caught some Soviet sub in a net during the 80's



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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2009, 06:06:24 AM »
Quote from: Die Hard on June 13, 2009, 01:00:11 AM
Because it was in Swedish waters?

... However, Sweden was a de facto German ally in WWII.

How did they then allow damaged allied bombers to land in Sweden?  :rolleyes:

Anyhow, this event happened already in Jan 1940, when Germany and Soviet Union were still "allied".
This S-2, like other type Stalinets subs, was even designed and built together by Germans and Russians for Soviet Union.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2009, 06:21:03 AM »
One of the passengers was the Commander of 13. submarine divison, Gavril Tutyškin.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2009, 06:42:41 AM »
Isn't it funny how the fact that Russia was the first and biggest supporter of Hitler gets completely overlooked? They were landgrabbing at full force together untill Adolf decided he didn't want to share with Stalin anymore.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2009, 06:57:48 AM »
From common russian perspective WW2 ("The Great Patriotic War", in which they defeated the evil nazies all by themselves) began only in 1941. Before that there were just some insignificant border clashes not worthy of mention :rolleyes:

Claiming otherwise is history distortion.

They just recently founded a commission to monitor the "distortion attempts":
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277297306236553.html
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2009, 09:46:57 AM »
Quote from: BlauK on June 13, 2009, 06:06:24 AM
How did they then allow damaged allied bombers to land in Sweden?  :rolleyes:

Land, yes. Take off again, no. The air crews were prisoners until the war was over and the victors were decided.

Sweden stayed neutral because it was more economical and politically necessary to do so, much like the US did prior to Pearl Harbor.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2009, 09:56:54 AM »
Quote from: MORAY37 on June 13, 2009, 12:56:21 AM
Question:

If Sweden was neutral in WW2.....why are they claiming "credit" for the sinking? (Along with Finland)

Things dat make ya go hmmmmmm.

I belive it hit a minefield in swedish waters.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2009, 10:29:33 AM »
Finnish or Swedish waters... Swedish or Finnish mine. The divers have not revealed in public on which side of the border it is, just to protect the wreck from possible thieves... to keep it peaceful at the burial site.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2009, 02:46:16 PM »
Quote from: MrRiplEy[H] on June 13, 2009, 06:42:41 AM
Isn't it funny how the fact that Russia was the first and biggest supporter of Hitler gets completely overlooked? They were landgrabbing at full force together untill Adolf decided he didn't want to share with Stalin anymore.
"Western" voices against the Soviets were unfortunately very few and far between after 1941 (Patton comes to mind).  The pragmatic view of needing "Uncle Joe" to bleed Hitler's Germany won out very quickly.

Shamefully so, IMO.
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Re: Long-lost World War II sub found off Swedish coast
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2009, 02:54:26 PM »
With the benefit of hindsight a lot of things can be shameful.... or not.
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