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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2000, 10:02:00 AM »
 
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just go the the F8F Bearcat and it's 4 20m's

I thought the WWII era Bearcats were armed with x4 .50's, and that it wasn't until the Korean era aircraft that they started mounting 20mm's on them.

And the answer on the 20mm armed F6F Hellcat question. Yes, the Hellcat varients with x2 20mm's and x4 .50's, were the night fighters.

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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2000, 08:33:00 AM »
LOL FastEddie.

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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2000, 09:48:00 AM »
It's a good day to die....bring on the FM2.  

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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2000, 12:06:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
I thought the WWII era Bearcats were armed with x4 .50's, and that it wasn't until the Korean era aircraft that they started mounting 20mm's on them.

And the answer on the 20mm armed F6F Hellcat question. Yes, the Hellcat varients with x2 20mm's and x4 .50's, were the night fighters.


Hate to post without remembering the source of the dats, found it on web when looking up the F8F before i knew exactly what the F8F was. It mentioned the 4x 20mm for the f8f 1b, And the 4 12.7 mm were available on the f8f-1 i might be wrong going to look it up again.


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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2000, 12:10:00 PM »
Found a diff source this time, but this is what it said:

The supreme radial-engined shipboard fighter design. Was too late for WWII. The F8F, a reaction on the continuous weight and size increases, combined a very powerful engine with an airframe that was small enough to be put on board of escort carriers. However, it had limited armament and short range. Despite the end of the war, 1266 were built. Some saw action with the French airforce in Inochina.
Type: F8F-1B
Function: fighter
Year: 1945 Crew: 1 Engines: 1 * 1566kW P&W R-2800-34W
Wing Span: 10.92m Length: 8.61m Height: 4.22m Wing Area: 22.67m2
Empty Weight: 3207kg Max.Weight: 5873kg
Max. Speed: 678km/h Ceiling: 11800m Max. Range: 3160km
Armament: 4*g20mm 2*b454kg


 

This is an F8F-2P (Recon version)


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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2000, 02:11:00 PM »
No F6F!   The US Navy is already well represented in AH as it is!  Maybe in the year 2002.    
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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2000, 03:11:00 PM »
From "The Complete Book of Fighters" by William Green & Gordon Swanborough. (FYI its the best "generic" all countries fighter aircraft book I have seen)

 
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World War II ended before the F8F-1 achieved full operational status and contracts were immediately cut back.  A total of 654 F8F-1's were delivered, these having an armament of four 0.5-in (12.7mm) machine guns


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« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2000, 05:02:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
[BAnd the answer on the 20mm armed F6F Hellcat question. Yes, the Hellcat varients with x2 20mm's and x4 .50's, were the night fighters.

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The night fighter varient was the F6F-5N?

My source for the cannon armament on the F6F-5 is the Navy web site below.
 http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/fighter.htm

The way I read the F6F write-up was that early production had the 6 MGs, but the majority of the F6F-5 series had the two cannon and four MGs.  Maybe most of the cannon Hellcats were post-war, or I'm getting the wrong read on the article.

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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2000, 11:51:00 PM »
Thx for that link jack, was great reading, and it looked to me like it didn't specify that the 4x.50 2x20 mm versions of the F6F-5 were night fighters at all, all it said was that not all the F6F-3's already in the fleet had not been converted to the F6F-5 alterations. That doesn't mean that no F6F-5's came out of the factories (with or without 4X.50/2x20mm) and  were sent to the fleet by then.  


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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2000, 08:12:00 AM »
hehehe

A bit of a challenge then.

Show me a picture of a F6F-5 (WWII Era, no post war stuff) that has the 20mm's and doesn't have the radar unit on the wing.

Their very well may have been late production day fighters with the 20mm's, but they were definitely the minority and rare. Not the norm.

The Navy was the leaders of the different US Military Branchs, when it came to conversion to 20mm's over .50's. In fact if you read the minutes of the Joint Fighter Conference in late 1944 (I'm just now reading this excellent book), it will talk about that in great detail. But it also says that the first Navy day fighters to mount 20mm's and see introduction into combat were the F4U-1C's. And only 150 of them ever made it into service before the war ended.

Look at your own source guys  

 
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While the four cannon configuration didn't go into production a two cannon, and four gun armament could be fitted to later production F6F's and was carried by many F6F-5N's.

Which means that while the F6F-5's could have 20mm, it was many of the -5N's that did carry them.

It also says that the 20mm prototype didn't even fly until April 1944, so extrapolate that out to production versions, and how many of the total production could even have potentially carried the 20mm cannon version.

Don't get me wrong guys. In AH I would like to see the 20mm's as one of the armament options. Just dont' fool yourselves into thinking that there were very many of them (other than the Nightfighters) that saw service in the war.  

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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2000, 04:10:00 PM »
Put me down for the F6 too. I want a plane known to HANG ONTO IT'S FARGING WINGS!!!!

I won't mention the name of the fighter that sheds wings like dandruff (P51 MUSTANG) so you will all have to guess what pony, erre plane I am talking about.  

If at all possible the F6F with the cannon would be WONDERFULL. Lets get some good red blooded American Iron in there with CANNON. Please, pretty please OH GAWD REALLY PLEASE!!!!!!  

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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2000, 06:28:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
hehehe


Show me a picture of a F6F-5 (WWII Era, no post war stuff) that has the 20mm's and doesn't have the radar unit on the wing.




I wouldn't know a war time photo from a post war photo unless it was clearly marked, and I don't have access to a lot of photos.  The three view line drawing in the source I mentioned shows the cannon option with no radardome shown, and it is explicitly labeled.  The ordnance description box on the following page lists the cannon armament with a note that some planes had a 6 MG armament.  The line drawing and the ordnance description is in a section titled, "STANDARD AIRCRAFT CHARACTERISTICS F6F-5 'HELLCAT'"  It also says that service started in 1944.
Maybe most of the cannon armed F6F-5 flew post war. I don't know.

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« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2000, 03:34:00 PM »
am I the only one here who would rather have 6 .50's instead of 4 20mm?   I'd love to see the Hellcat in Aces High as I'm sure it will be in due time, but all talk of cannons, I dunno, maybe I'll start a crusade of planesets not based on country numbers but on armament.  I can see it now, whole threads whining not about how this country has X number of planes vs. this country, but about how the game only has 4 all MG armed planes vs. the overmodeled facist cannon regime that has brainwashed the population into following it's sinister agenda.  hehe  


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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2000, 06:35:00 PM »
This is a little of topic, but doesn't the F8F hold the worlds fastest piston engine airplane speed.  I seem to remember somethin in Guiness Book of World Records 'bout it reaching 525 mph in level flight.  This is of course stripped down and modifying the engine "just a little bit."  Does anyone else know?

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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2000, 08:45:00 PM »
 
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