BADLY neglected plane set.

[Karnak]

In proportion to their effect on the war, the Italians have better representation than the Japanese or Russians do.

Also keep in mind that Italian aircraft needed for gap filling are not the G.55 or Re.2005, but rather the C.200, RR.42 and SM.79-II.

[Rich46yo]

We dont need "every" bomber that ever flew in the war but i think we need at least 3 or 4 for balance PLUS a new perk bomber.

I realize this cant be accomplished in one update but maybe over the course of a year?

Thing is were getting two early war fighters that had very limited impact in the war and that impact, pretty much, only on one lonely Northern front. Meanwhiles bombers that had huge footprints in the war, 111s, Bettys, PE-2s, TU-2s, and another perk bomber have been largely neglected.

We need new bombers pure and simple. And we need the Jap, Ruskie, German, Italian, sets addressed. Plus a Yank perk bomber.

[vonKrimm]

And making your text big and red doesn't give it any more weight.

Just making sure that the ITALIANS don't get short-shrift....again.  Besides, I like red & I like big. 

In proportion to their effect on the war, the Italians have better representation than the Japanese or Russians do.

Also keep in mind that Italian aircraft needed for gap filling are not the G.55 or Re.2005, but rather the C.200, RR.42 and SM.79-II.

Since when is "in proportion to their effect on the war..." a consideration for inclusion in AH?  They were 1/3 of the Axis "major" players.  Also I never asked for the G.55 or R.2005; the G.50 & R.2002 are good enough & the SM.79 would be wonderful to have; and if we got the CR.42, by gawd that would be amazing to have a bi-plane at last! 

[Karnak]

They were 1/3rd of the Axis in only the most simplistic way of looking at it.   Another way of looking at it would be to say they were about as effective for the Axis as the Chinese were for the Allies.  The Axis nations that fought the lions share of the war and carried the costs of the war were, by far, Germany and Japan.

[DaveJ]

The Japanese plane set without a doubt is one of the most neglected in the game.

DESPERATELY Needed:

Ki-43 (PRIORITY AIRCRAFT!)
G4M (PRIORITY AIRCRAFT!)
Ki-21
Ki-27
A5M
D4Y
B6N

Would like, but not critical:

G3M
Ki-44
Ki-45
J2M
N1K2 (we have the N1K2-J)
A6M3 Models 32 and 22 (Model 22 would be prefered, but I could see the clipped-wing Model 32 because it would offer something distinctive from the A6M2 and A6M5)
Ki-100
B7A (actually faster and more maneuverable than the Zero. Small production numbers could make it a rare perk choice for the Japanese set)
Ki-48
Ki-30
Ki-49
P1Y

We just don't need those. I'm sorry. You can't honestly tell me a Ki-49, Ki-30, Ki-48, etc is desperately needed in AH. These are planes that you really need to dig up when researching the war, whereas there are some more well known aircraft that are no brainers when it comes to being added

[Saxman]

Read my post more carefully, Dave. I said they'd be NICE to have, but NOT critical.

[DaveJ]

Read my post more carefully, Dave. I said they'd be NICE to have, but NOT critical.

The same goes for them too.

[Saxman]

The same goes for them too.

Would you mind explaining to me then why the Ki-43 and G4M aren't needed? Do you think the only planes we need are the latest American or German late-war uber rides, Or is the only part of the war worth remembering the ETO/MTO?

There's an entire OTHER theater of the conflict which is HORRENDOUSLY represented and needs attention BADLY. Sorry if it doesn't fit your desire for yet ANOTHER perked monster, but there's more to this game than the Main Arenas.

[Motherland]

As is the case with the Russian set, there are plenty of gaps filled by foreign-produced aircraft (the Italians DID use quite a few German aircraft).

This is a good point with the Regia Aeronautica and especially the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana, saying that using mostly American aircraft to represent the VVS from 1941-1944 is a pretty weak argument. Sure, the aircraft were in use, but they didn't come anywhere near the numbers of domestic Soviet aircraft in VVS service... going off of memory, I think something like one in ten aircraft in service with the VVS was lend lease. So we have one of the (or the?) largest air force in the world, 90% of which is represented by 5 (soon to be 6) single-engined aircraft, while the other 10% is represented by... what, almost 10 aircraft?

[Saxman]

This is a good point with the Regia Aeronautica and especially the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana, saying that using mostly American aircraft to represent the VVS from 1941-1944 is a pretty weak argument. Sure, the aircraft were in use, but they didn't come anywhere near the numbers of domestic Soviet aircraft in VVS service... going off of memory, I think something like one in ten aircraft in service with the VVS was lend lease. So we have one of the (or the?) largest air force in the world, 90% of which is represented by 5 (soon to be 6) single-engined aircraft, while the other 10% is represented by... what, almost 10 aircraft?

The point still stands that regardless of the percentages, there ARE legitimate AND historical substitutes to use for the VVS where needed. The Japanese have none.

[whiteman]

I agree 100% with Sax, PTO Japanese setups needs some major holes filled in for FSO and AVA.

[Rich46yo]

Well, again, the KI-43 had a very large presence in the war. Most of all in the EW where the Allies had a lot of problems with it. There were almost 6,000 Oscars produced, the later varients were fairly fast, manueverable, had long range, and I cant remember if they were ever fitted with cannon or not.

I'd bet they accounted for more then their share of kills against the Allies. Count me in as a "yes" for the KI-43. Its far to important an aircraft to leave out of Aces High.

[Karnak]

Only very few Ki-43-IIIs with two 20mm Ho-5 cannons were built, very late in the war.  The most common, Ki-43-IIs, were all armed with two 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns.   The Ki-43-Ia was armed with two 7.7mm Type 80 machine guns, the Ki-43-Ib with one 7.7mm Type 80 and one 12.7mm Ho-103 and the Ki-43-Ic with two 12.7mm Ho-103s.

[Saxman]

Only very few Ki-43-IIIs with two 20mm Ho-5 cannons were built, very late in the war.  The most common, Ki-43-IIs, were all armed with two 12.7mm Ho-103 machine guns.   The Ki-43-Ia was armed with two 7.7mm Type 80 machine guns, the Ki-43-Ib with one 7.7mm Type 80 and one 12.7mm Ho-103 and the Ki-43-Ic with two 12.7mm Ho-103s.

Maybe to give us a good representation the Japanese plane set should be expanded to:

Fighters

A6M2 Model 21
A6M3 Model 32 Note: I went with the clip-winged Model 32 as it would be a definite change from the other models
A6M5 Model 52
A6M6c Model 53

Ki-43-Ia
Ki-43-IIb
Ki-43-IIIb (mild perk to reflect limited numbers?)

A5M4

Ki-27b

Ki-84-Ia
Ki-84-Ib

N1K1-J
N1K2-J

Ki-61-I-Hei
Ki-61-I-Tei
Ki-61-II-KAIa
Ki-100-I-Ko

Ki-45 KAIa
Ki-45 KAIc

Ki-44Ia
Ki-44IIc

J2M3a Model 21A
J2M5a Model 33A

Level Bombers

G3M2 Model 21

G4M1 Model 11
G4M2 Model 22
G4M3 Model 34

Ki-21-IIa

Dive/Torpedo

D3A1 Model 11
D3A2 Model 22

D4Y2a KAI Model 22A

B5N1-K

B6N2a Model 12A

B7A2 (mild perk?)

[Clone155]

Sooo many numbers my head is swimming 

No wonder americans just named them things like "Oscar" or "George" or "Betty" its alot easier that way LOL