BADLY neglected plane set.

[whiteman]

I'd think if we see an increase in Japanese rides we might see more dedicated IJN and IJAA squads in game. Would make some fun fights for the Naval and Marine squads.

[Karnak]

Saxman,

I am not sure the G4M3 saw combat and the G4M1 and G4M2 are similar enough that just the G4M2 could work for both.

I would like to see the P1Y1 at some point, though definately a lower priority than the G4M2.  More than 1000 were built.

Sooo many numbers my head is swimming 

No wonder americans just named them things like "Oscar" or "George" or "Betty" its alot easier that way LOL

Actually, the IJN naming scheme is pretty much the same as the USN naming scheme.

[HighTone]

KI-84lb should be relativley easy to add. 

I would agree. Should be easy to add. The -Ic as well

[Saxman]

Saxman,

I am not sure the G4M3 saw combat and the G4M1 and G4M2 are similar enough that just the G4M2 could work for both.

I would like to see the P1Y1 at some point, though definately a lower priority than the G4M2.  More than 1000 were built.
Actually, the IJN naming scheme is pretty much the same as the USN naming scheme.

There's enough differences to warrant both the G4M1 and 2. The G4M2 added a 20mm cannon to the dorsal turret to go with the tail "stinger" and made a number of other changes. I believe some of the durability issues were addressed as well. There were 60 G4M3s produced and they did see combat, so definitely fits the "squadron strength" requirement. It would be PARTICULARLY nasty if we got the G4M3a, which had FOUR defensive 20mm cannon (two waist positions, dorsal turret, and the tail stinger)!

I looked at the P1Y1 when I made my original list, Looking at her she reminds me an awful lot of the Mosquito.

[Clone155]

Actually, the IJN naming scheme is pretty much the same as the USN naming scheme.

Yes, thats why we call our planes "jugs" "ponys" "lightnings" and "warhawks" 

[DaveJ]

Maybe to give us a good representation the Japanese plane set should be expanded to:

Fighters

A6M2 Model 21
A6M3 Model 32 Note: I went with the clip-winged Model 32 as it would be a definite change from the other models
A6M5 Model 52
A6M6c Model 53

Ki-43-Ia
Ki-43-IIb
Ki-43-IIIb (mild perk to reflect limited numbers?)

A5M4

Ki-27b

Ki-84-Ia
Ki-84-Ib

N1K1-J
N1K2-J

Ki-61-I-Hei
Ki-61-I-Tei
Ki-61-II-KAIa
Ki-100-I-Ko

Ki-45 KAIa
Ki-45 KAIc

Ki-44Ia
Ki-44IIc

J2M3a Model 21A
J2M5a Model 33A

Level Bombers

G3M2 Model 21

G4M1 Model 11
G4M2 Model 22
G4M3 Model 34

Ki-21-IIa

Dive/Torpedo

D3A1 Model 11
D3A2 Model 22

D4Y2a KAI Model 22A

B5N1-K

B6N2a Model 12A

B7A2 (mild perk?)

This is just taking the piss now.

[Enker]

Actually, the IJN naming scheme is pretty much the same as the USN naming scheme.

Yes, thats why we call our planes "jugs" "ponys" "lightnings" and "warhawks" 

Reading comprehension is your friend.

[Saxman]

This is just taking the piss now.

Bite me, Dave. Maybe you'd like to tell the class what YOU think is a worthwhile addition to the game?

[BnZs]

The Russian planeset is gimp also.

You can't really complain when the 3/4ths of the planes you DO have are among the best fighters in the game....

[Motherland]

You can't really complain when the 3/4ths of the planes you DO have are among the best fighters in the game....

You can when the only one that you have for 1941-1943 is among the worst.

Curious... 3/4s?

La 7
Yak 9U

OK... but...

Yak 9T
La 5FN
I 16

Looks more like 2/5...

[DaveJ]

Bite me, Dave. Maybe you'd like to tell the class what YOU think is a worthwhile addition to the game?

Certainly. Beaufighter, A-26, He-111, and Ju-52 all have a higher place on my list than any Japanese aircraft.

You do realize that the Japanese plane set you just created is essentially bigger than the ENTIRE plane set we have in AH currently, right? (Maybe more around half to 3/4).

I would not oppose 1-2 Japanese aircraft (G4M would be fine), but they surely do not merit as many planes as you are proposing here. How would you like it if l said that we should have every single variant of every main American or European aircraft?

[1701E]

Certainly. Beaufighter, A-26, He-111, and Ju-52 all have a higher place on my list than any Japanese aircraft.

You do realize that the Japanese plane set you just created is essentially bigger than the ENTIRE plane set we have in AH currently, right? (Maybe more around half to 3/4).

Closer to half then 3/4.  Have a few more planes then it seems, we have 91 (give or take a few) Planes/GVs in game.  75 are planes and 16 are GVs, Saxman gave a list of 34 planes, Just 0.5 more then 1/2 of currently available.  Just putting a small hopefully accurate 'fact' in.

I agree we don't need all of those Japanese planes (that is quite an impressively long list), but some of them wouldn't hurt, just like many other planes including your list.

This is before the Beta edition, so it does not include the I-16 and Brewster.

[whiteman]

You do realize that the Japanese plane set you just created is essentially bigger than the ENTIRE plane set we have in AH currently, right? (Maybe more around half to 3/4).

And you do realize that list is just a list of planes to pick from, not a list of what is needed.

[TonyJoey]

All for new Nip planes to light up.

[Saxman]

Certainly. Beaufighter, A-26, He-111, and Ju-52 all have a higher place on my list than any Japanese aircraft.

You do realize that the Japanese plane set you just created is essentially bigger than the ENTIRE plane set we have in AH currently, right? (Maybe more around half to 3/4).

I would not oppose 1-2 Japanese aircraft (G4M would be fine), but they surely do not merit as many planes as you are proposing here. How would you like it if l said that we should have every single variant of every main American or European aircraft?

The Beaufighter and He-111 are needed, I'll give you that, as they'll both fill HUGE roles in scenarios.

HOWEVER, the A-26 is yet ANOTHER late-war American monster we don't have a pressing need for. It's not going to fill a role in the Mains that another aircraft doesn't already except for being a potential Perk ride. Its use in FSO/Scenarios/Snapshots would probably be limited as well. While the Ju-52 would be nice, it doesn't fill a role in the Main Arenas that the C-47 doesn't already and that's the ONLY place where it would really see usage. I've yet to fly in an FSO that utilized C-47s, and I don't recall seeing any scenario or snapshot setup involving them, either. And is base capture even ON in AvA? So the Ju-52 would be nice to have, but a German equivalent to the M8 would be far more useful for all facets of the game.

Also, just as an FYI there are 31 American aircraft currently in the game (32 if you count the Boston. If you want to stretch it and include the Brewster as well it will be 33 when the update comes out). Assuming HTC would add everything, the second list I posted above would bring the Japanese plane set to just above that. And sure, some of these could be trimmed. Like instead of the two Ki-44 variants I listed that could be handled with something as simple as a gun package option in the hangar (which if you include the P-39D's 20mm option, technically means we ALSO have the P-400. Our F4F-4 has a 4x .50cal package which technically makes her an F4F-3, bringing the American plane set up to "35").