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Offline sqwiglly

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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2009, 04:44:42 AM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2009, 08:28:14 AM »
NOT FOR  FSO  :rofl





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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2009, 08:29:19 AM »
I'm sorry but I find your entire tone to be offensive. I have a great appreciation for everyone who makes FSO possible and contributes at the command level....however to come across with a "my @#$% doesn't stink" attitude gains you nothing and costs you at least my respect. As a further observation "you" didnt win....the 240+ guys on your team did. Possibly in part as a result of stellar orders...and possibly in spite of them. But with 100% certainty because of countless decisions made in the midst of the conflict. True leaders absorb all blame and deflect all credit back to where they know it belongs....think about it :salute
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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2009, 09:38:08 AM »
I have to agree with Humble. The FSO is all that's left where you can find a sense of WWII air combat in AH.
It's spirit as you seem to be making fun of is a refreshing change from the gamey attitude of the Main Arenas where challenge is second and the easiest way and easiest plane is the norm.
I hope attitudes like yours are not the future of the FSO. If so it means the decline of the last refuge of any historical challenge and just another place for gamey tactics and personalities.
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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2009, 09:47:09 AM »
back on topic...

Did the kamikaze group know that a "kamikaze" into a ship in AHII does not effect the ship itself?
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Offline Dustoff2

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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2009, 09:54:20 AM »
We did not Kamikaze!  We dropped bombs and either the ack got us or hellcats. The intent was to drop the CV and then egress . I think according to the logs, one zero hit the cv because he could no longer control his plane.   It took us longer to find the CV again than expected.

I find it humorous that last week there was a post of a lone zero who kamikaze the cv and it was the funniest thing anyone has seen. But this week it's the worst thing they have seen in 6 years of FSO Just because 3 hellcats couldn't recover at the end.



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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2009, 10:02:14 AM »
Thank you for clearing that up sir.

I was going to find it hilarious if a whole squad kamikazied themselves
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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2009, 03:08:13 PM »
My hats off to the Rolling Thunder for staying with it.  :aokI know you guys got creamed at the start. It must have been frustrating as you were left out in the wind. I will strive to do better the next time around.

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Offline nikomon

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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2009, 03:32:55 PM »
Quote from: Bannor on July 19, 2009, 03:08:13 PM
My hats off to the Rolling Thunder for staying with it.  :aokI know you guys got creamed at the start. It must have been frustrating as you were left out in the wind. I will strive to do better the next time around.

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yeah the b5n is probably the worst plane in the game  :rolleyes: but it does not matter. You gave us orders and we did everything we could to complete them.TO me this is the spirit of the game. Everyone has their turn of uber planes and the least desirable ones too :P. 

<S!> for doing your part on the CIC duties.

 I do not recall teaching ramming tactics to my squad and I have a reputation of that of "old blood and guts" when it comes to anyone on my team acting out of line.  So I will ask to see the video if one exists? 

 Rolling Thunder has been called a lot of things before  :o but never Kamikazes  :rofl .

 

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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2009, 04:00:40 PM »
Good discussion in this thread.  I used "Kamikaze" in the spirit of the one-way trip with no hope of returning home.  I saw most of you guys dive on the boat, pickle you bombs and disappear.  As mentioned earlier, you probably died to ack or to us flying cap...in any case, you hit the boat with bombs (cuz hitting with the plane would do nothing).   :salute

The big issue here is one of the cap...should we have all landed and towered out safely on time; leaving you guys a clear shot at hitting the boat?  Is it fair to us to lose planes to the closed logs because we encountered your last-minute strike while we were starting our landing procedures - when you would have lost yours in either case (logs closed while in flight or killed by ack)?

Not an easy answer either way.  Last thing we need is more rules, but consider the game of Golf:  Rules [and more importantly Decisions on the Rules] are made to handle specific real-life situations. 

Should there be an FSO rule regarding attacks after T+110?  "To allow all players the chance to safely land their planes, any attacks after T+110 will be disregarded for matters of kills, score and point totals."
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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2009, 04:45:28 PM »
Quote from: ImADot on July 19, 2009, 04:00:40 PM


The big issue here is one of the cap...should we have all landed and towered out safely on time; leaving you guys a clear shot at hitting the boat?  Is it fair to us to lose planes to the closed logs because we encountered your last-minute strike while we were starting our landing procedures - when you would have lost yours in either case (logs closed while in flight or killed by ack)?


This situation is pretty much the worst. Attacking that late guaranteed either that most of the pilots have either logged for the night or recovered, any others still up would face being up in the air at +120 with no CV to land on. Its very gamey, its very lame and anyone trying to use this tactic in order to "get moar pointz" should re-think their contribution in FSO.
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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2009, 05:10:19 PM »
Quote from: Viper61 on July 18, 2009, 05:07:48 PM
Additionally what happened afterward was that 4X (CM) refused my request for a 5 minute extension to land our aircraft on CV 25.  The 325th lost 3 AC due to this according to the logs.  All of the 325th AC were down and towered by H+125.  Not my plan to be flying past H+120 but forced into a fight over my own CV with no time remaining.  We had no choice but to fight and then land as quickly as we could which we did.  I don't believe that the 325th VFG or the ALLIED side should be penalized with "lost" AC because we were being attacked at H+119 while trying to land at our CV.


Yes Viper61, you did ask for an extension. I will normally allow some leeway for pilots eggressing at the end of a frame, and I did. I'm sorry that your guys got caught trying to RTB to a TG that got hit late by the axis side.

My job as an FSO CM has me doing many things. One of which is that I open the logs and close the logs at the End of the frame.. T+120. The Admin CM interprets the logs, and scores it accordingly. It is not my job to agree or disagree with a particular battle plan. Having been an FSO CM for a bit, it has been quite routine that "most" aircraft are to RTB at T+105. This FSO has been anything but routine, but on the other hand quite interesting. It has generated a lot of discussion involving tactics and implementation.
I hope that these continue to make FSO an enjoyable experience for everyone involved.





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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2009, 05:53:52 PM »
This is what time I departed the CV in my A6m looking for enemy carrier group.

23:24:52 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #17.

That's up with 35 minutes left, we were not making a last 10 minute decision to up for a no return flight - Was further away then we suspected at first. And yes we didnt RTB when we had a chance, oops.   :D
Just try not to be close minded-  look into stuff before saying everyone in a squad using MA Kamikaze tactics. Thanks

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Offline sqwiglly

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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2009, 08:41:31 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Kamikaze Attack at T+117
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2009, 08:46:24 PM »
See Rule #4
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