F3 view

[Rich46yo]

You tell us, obviously you are so affected by this thread that you are probably ATM scrutinizing my score records (which you have done before) "as if it matters" so please enlighten us 

I already said I was in TT with JU88 over the weekend! Shooting in F3 was very easy indeed  Now killing cons with the peeeeeshooter is quite a different story

Boy Ive heard some beauties in this forum but this one wins a little red rose on your lapel, smilies and all.

You expect us to believe you shot down 2 cons with that single crummy small caliber foward MG of a JU-88? And it had to be a single JU cause drones couldnt keep up with the manuevers. Even if you didnt blow them up from the distance their single MG would fire where "it" was pointed and not where "you" were pointing. Anybody think different then upp some JU-88s and try it yourself. Shooting in F3, while in a JU-88, is very difficult. Add to it the single peashooter is offset to begin with.

Had you said B-26s or an A-20 you might have smoked your way thru this. Hahahahaha, the JU-88  While I have you here let me ask? How many Tigers have you killed in one pass while in IL2s? From F3?

[shreck]

Boy Ive heard some beauties in this forum but this one wins a little red rose on your lapel, smilies and all.

You expect us to believe you shot down 2 cons with that single crummy small caliber foward MG of a JU-88? And it had to be a single JU cause drones couldnt keep up with the manuevers. Even if you didnt blow them up from the distance their single MG would fire where "it" was pointed and not where "you" were pointing. Anybody think different then upp some JU-88s and try it yourself. Shooting in F3, while in a JU-88, is very difficult. Add to it the single peashooter is offset to begin with.

Had you said B-26s or an A-20 you might have smoked your way thru this. Hahahahaha, the JU-88  While I have you here let me ask? How many Tigers have you killed in one pass while in IL2s? From F3?

Actually I never said I shot them down! In reality I made them auger "which is even funnier" and yes attributable to F3 What I said was, shooting in F3 view is quite easy indeed! I'm sure it sounded like hail falling on a tin roof to the spits and zeke I was peppering with the bean straw! You should try shooting down an il2 with a VAL<--LOL  funny stuff!

You are correct it was a single JU88, I upped it to specifically have some laughs and  F I G H T  with it! You should try it, it's quite a hoot.

I don't use il2s to kill tigers or GVs for that matter, and I very rarely bomb GVs! To me upping an il2 and killing many tanks with the guns is one of the most "GAMEY" and lame parts of Aces High! But I'll play along I'm sure shooting at GVs and bombing them in F3 view is quite simple and advantages as well!

Sticking the JU88 in the middle of a bunch of twitfires and bonies is one of the funniest things I've done in this game!
Made possible by F3 view

We can go off to the side in any arena and duke it out in JU88s if you like, I guarantee you will have a BLAST!    

You fly in the pilots seat, and I'll fly F3 and we'll see who has the absolute advantage

[shreck]

I already said I was in TT with JU88 over the weekend! Shooting in F3 was very easy indeed  Now killing cons with the peeeeeshooter is quite a different story

Rich, this is my actual qoute you made reference too! I fail to see where I said I shot anyone down!

[Beefcake]

 

OMGosh! So let me get this straight. You took a Ju88 to TT, you shot at some enemies while in F3 view, you failed to down any enemy aircraft, and then you came to the wishlist saying get rid of F3 view for most bombers because it's easy to shoot planes in F3 view.

Shreck are you a high ranking government official?

[shreck]

I suggest a test!

I will be the bait JU88 or il2 or whatever! Someone else fly a fighter preferably 50 cals at the biggest, but not critical. I will privately make note of which fight I was in F3 view and which ones were not. My opponent will honestly take note of what flights I was easiest to kill in! This may be rather subjective but it could be a good baseline in identifying IF F3 improves a planes abilities by having a much better view of what is happening or not!
These should be co-alt merges!  Any volunteers?  

[shreck]

OMGosh! So let me get this straight. You took a Ju88 to TT, you shot at some enemies while in F3 view, you failed to down any enemy aircraft, and then you came to the wishlist saying get rid of F3 view for most bombers because it's easy to shoot planes in F3 view.

Shreck are you a high ranking government official?

Beefcake, I've been trollin this "pet peave" of mine for awhile now! So either engage me or ignore me, it's no matter to me. After I've talked to only myself for awhile I'll go away     

[Vudak]

I suggest a test!

I will be the bait JU88 or il2 or whatever! Someone else fly a fighter preferably 50 cals at the biggest, but not critical. I will privately make note of which fight I was in F3 view and which ones were not. My opponent will honestly take note of what flights I was easiest to kill in! This may be rather subjective but it could be a good baseline in identifying IF F3 improves a planes abilities by having a much better view of what is happening or not!
These should be co-alt merges!  Any volunteers?  

Sure, I'll play.  It would be an interesting experiment

[shreck]

Sure, I'll play.  It would be an interesting experiment

Vudak!  always the trooper         I'll be on tonight

[cobia38]

I suggest a test!

I will be the bait JU88 or il2 or whatever! Someone else fly a fighter preferably 50 cals at the biggest, but not critical. I will privately make note of which fight I was in F3 view and which ones were not. My opponent will honestly take note of what flights I was easiest to kill in! This may be rather subjective but it could be a good baseline in identifying IF F3 improves a planes abilities by having a much better view of what is happening or not!
These should be co-alt merges!  Any volunteers?  

   better yet you grab a Il2 or a A-20
   you can use f3
  i,ll grab a A-20 keep my view in  internal only and film entire fight to prove it  and lets see who wins

 

[Rich46yo]

Rich, this is my actual qoute you made reference too! I fail to see where I said I shot anyone down!

Naw. You said somthing else. Hard to tell cause youv gone back and edited almost all your posts.

Even if you didnt, and let me get this straight. You say youv never shot anything down in bomber F3 mode but that we should get rid of it cause gunning in F3 mode makes shooting down airplanes very easy. Is that what your saying? Or maybe you have never shot in F3 mode at all and we should get rid of it cause if you 'wanted to shoot in F3 mode" it would make the game to one sided for the bomber.

Tell me if im getting close. BTW how is Vudak going to know your in F3 mode?

[Anaxogoras]

What a purse fight.  How surprising that those who regularly fly aircraft that have the F3 view staunchly defend it, and those of us who don't think it's gamey.  I feel like a stereotype.

[Widewing]

The only shot that is "more" difficult is the straight6 shot in F3 view cause your plane is in the way! But if your plane is covering the target then just "pull the trigger!! Lead and snap shots are far easier, when firing in F3 view you have full"out of plane" view! Pulling lead is much superior cause you are not having to deal with the target disapearing under your nose! F3 view takes away sooooo many of the variables compared to being in the seat!

Not a troll! just how I see it

Once again I agree with shreck. With a minimal amount of practice, it is relatively easy to score on deflection shots from F3 view.

Just the other night, I intercepted a raid while flying an A-20. I fought a 1v1 with a Tempest, shooting off one elevator and a flap. He skedaddled for home. I then engaged a Niki, killing him after he failed on his second HO. I dived down and chased a P-51D, who decided that an immelmen was a smart option. This time I switched to F3 view and had no trouble hosing the Mustang, which exploded. Still in F3, I attacked a B-17 from its low six, and hosed it from nose to tail.... Another boom.

Low on gas, I landed. However, there's no doubt that one can quickly get skilled at deflection shooting from F3. Hence, I agree that forward firing guns should only be enabled when in the cockpit.

I think F3 serves the purpose it was intended, and I believe that I have adequately defined valid reasoning why it is correct (there will be the obtuse few who could not be convinced to sit in a bucket of water when their bellybutton is on fire). Nonetheless, it is easy to abuse F3 for gunnery purposes and that should be addressed.


My regards,

Widewing

[Anaxogoras]

(there will be the obtuse few who could not be convinced to sit in a bucket of water when their bellybutton is on fire).

Exactly what I was thinking except in the other direction.

[shreck]

Naw. You said somthing else. Hard to tell cause youv gone back and edited almost all your posts.

Even if you didnt, and let me get this straight. You say youv never shot anything down in bomber F3 mode but that we should get rid of it cause gunning in F3 mode makes shooting down airplanes very easy. Is that what your saying? Or maybe you have never shot in F3 mode at all and we should get rid of it cause if you 'wanted to shoot in F3 mode" it would make the game to one sided for the bomber.

Tell me if im getting close. BTW how is Vudak going to know your in F3 mode?

Ugh!

[shreck]

N/M  Widewing made my point easier than I was!!  TY