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Offline brady

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« on: November 27, 2001, 06:29:00 PM »
???

 

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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2001, 06:34:00 PM »
Browning 30 cal. water cooled

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2001, 08:02:00 PM »
M1917a1

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2001, 11:29:00 PM »
Yup.. M1917

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2001, 11:45:00 PM »
Here is my intuitive answer it's a....gun.

lol, I'll let you people who actually know stuff guess than just learn from y'all.

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2001, 06:25:00 PM »
M1917a1, it is :)

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2001, 07:10:00 PM »
Browning .30 cal...

Photo shot by Robert Capa in 1944, the photo series to come is highly emotional as the guy to the left is shot to death just seconds after this shot, in front of the camera as Capa is clicking away...

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2001, 02:50:00 AM »
To the left of the photo or to the left of the machine-gun?

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2001, 09:13:00 AM »
That certainly doesn't appear to be a combat photo, but a 'posed' magazine photo... look at how clean the troops and the weapon are, their lack of other equipment, and the belt of ammunition... if they were taking fire, surely the sandbags wouldn't be looking so pretty at this point.

Where did you get that information?

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2001, 10:01:00 AM »
Its totaly staged. How did 10 unfired rounds make it out the right(spent) side of the reciever? Bad primers on all of them? I doubt it. Its not even well staged. Besides if people were being shot it seems more likely that the camera man standing on the position would be hit first.

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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2001, 10:53:00 AM »
My points exactly.

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2001, 11:50:00 AM »
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Its totaly staged. How did 10 unfired rounds make it out the right(spent) side of the reciever? Bad primers on all of them? I doubt it. Its not even well staged. Besides if people were being shot it seems more likely that the camera man standing on the position would be hit first.  

I don't think that's an issue. It's a canvas belt with missing rounds. I believe with the M2 .50 (which is the same basic design) and even the M-60 you could slap a belt in and start firing without having to align the first round in the belt. In combat, speed would win out if you had enough ammo to waste, which I bet they did. It's been a while, nearly 10 years, since my "headspace and timing" days so my memory could be wrong  :)

The extractor pulls the round from the belt or link, inserts it in the chamber and then the spent casing is discarded from the bottom as the next round cycles. The links, or canvas belt in this case, then exit from the side.

With a metal-linked belt the unfired rounds would likely be laying on the ground to the side, in this case they seem to still be attached to the belt that is feeding out of the side. You can see that some rounds have been fired.

In my peace time service, we always took the time to seat the 1st round in the belt and carefully close the receiver, but then you were always accountable for any unfired rounds so you made sure you burned every one.

Charon

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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2001, 12:02:00 PM »
U would also leave a number of rounds on the other side of the link, for other reasons, like for the wieght to keep a possitive pressure on the belt to keep it from back feeding in thaose old guns. This problem was solved in later belt designs like the more recent chain belts or linked belts as they R more commomnly called, Trust me on this one I am a M249 SAW gunner in the USarmy signal corp and I have had that gun asignment for 4 years now and qualified expert on it,  BTW U have to line up the belt exactly on the SAW otherwise it will missfire and or jam, and its a pain in the bellybutton to have a jammed saw in a hurry.  The early M60s did not have to have the belt lined up but it was "improved" on and later models U have to line it up otherwise U  have the same probem as the M249.  

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