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Offline Happy1

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 01:52:20 PM »
Any sound to the codecs?  Have none, at present!   :mad:

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2009, 02:06:49 PM »
No sound on mine either, there likely never was any just to keep the file size down.
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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2009, 10:28:00 AM »
No sound on mine either

Yep, no sound on either film.

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2009, 10:33:25 AM »
Awesome post, I've noticed similar traits in the A6M5b but I don't have a chart to back it up, just feel from flying it so long. Do you by chance have a graph for the A6M5b showing the best use of flaps?

The A6M5 is similar accept for that last notch, in as much as your sustained turn rate drops all the way down to full flaps, as shown below.



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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 10:47:08 AM »
Would I be right to assume the -1A is similar?

The F4U1 and F4U1A behave slightly differently.

Here is the flap comparison for the F4U1A



Here you notice that once again you have an optimum sustained turn when two notches of flaps are deflected.

However, the F4U1 flap comparison shown below confirms what TC said in an earlier post:



In this case you can see that when you get to two notches, you can reduce your turn radius even more by deflecting the flaps all the way, with no further loss in sustained turn rate. In practical terms what that means is that while you might stay at two notches of flaps in a nose to tail turn in the F4U1A, in order to optimise sustained turn rate, in the F4U1 you could deflect full flaps as the diagram above shows.

Many thanks to TC for following up on that point for me!

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Can you help me figure out what I need to do to watch these films though?  Something about a codec?

Did the link TC gave you help?

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2009, 11:16:11 AM »
like Steve said where can we find these chart? sry if i missed the answer its late in korea :)
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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2009, 12:46:20 PM »
Awesome post Leon, thanks!

Assuming you have all the charts made already, is there anyway you could post this information for the entire fighter planeset? If you don't have the charts already then don't worry, wouldnt want to have to put you through that  :)

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2009, 12:51:01 PM »
Thanks for the help, BadBoy :aok

The link TC gave me should probably work, but when I first saw it, I was a bit paranoid about installing *anything* on my computer, as I was having an issue or two with the game.  It's clear skies now, though, so I'll have to check it out.
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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2009, 05:46:59 PM »
Badboy,

Thanks for the charts.  Flying the 1 and 1a for years and never expected to see that kind of flap performance difference. very interesting stuff :aok

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2009, 06:33:29 PM »
Nice post Badboy! :salute

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2009, 06:58:04 PM »
The A6M5 is similar accept for that last notch, in as much as your sustained turn rate drops all the way down to full flaps, as shown below.

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2009, 01:30:58 PM »
Great post I get everything you said. I've been frustrated with knowing these concepts but be able to look up detailed plane performance stats.  There are many very eye opening table that could be created with the proper data. 

I've combed the AH site looking for exactly this kind of data but I can't find it if it is available.

So where does one get The data!!??? 
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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2009, 09:09:55 AM »
So where does one get The data!!??? 

We get our data in the same way that real aircraft data is obtained, by flight testing.  For the diagrams posted above you only need to know the turn radius and turn rate, and that only requires one simple flight test.

The instructions for carrying out the test, and a tool for calculating the required values are available in this download:

Download Badboy's BootStrap Calculator

Hope that helps

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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2009, 11:15:04 AM »
 :aok Good thread
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Re: Don't get in a Flap
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2009, 01:17:27 PM »
Badboy,
This will be more fun than I thought! Looking forward to my own flight testing!

You the man.

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