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Offline Motherland

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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2009, 08:19:47 PM »
This is ridiculous.

But sitting there, drawing freehand? I dont think so.

Just because you can't do something, doesn't mean there isn't someone else who can.
This is a perfect parallel to the 'you out turned me you must be cheating!!111!!!' scenario... it's almost comical.
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2009, 08:27:34 PM »
None of which is difficult.

Just changing the length and width of the photo explains a lot of it. Everything else? Have any of you used a program like photoshop before?

Look I didnt want this to turn into a flame...but freehand drawing while looking at the picture?? :lol Oh, and BTW, "the housefire". :rofl

Hey, believe what you want. Most people do anyways. This is the internet and we can be whoever we want to be. The thing I dont understand is why so many think we have to .

Heres what 45 seconds in PS can do.


to this


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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2009, 08:39:35 PM »
As usual, you pick what you want to believe and ignore the facts.  I AM an artist...  I can recognize a drawing.  Sure... you stretched the photo. The point is that none of the differences are symmetrical, or consistent. 

I think everyone but you here can see the drawing for what it is.  A hand drawn picture, done while looking at a photo, with more detail in it than the photo ever had. 

Have I ever used Photoshop?  Everyday for the last 10 years.

Once again, I would rather go and beat my head against a rock than argue with someone who will never get it.

Color me out on this one too... and again, GREAT JOB MADDA!!!  :aok
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2009, 08:44:26 PM »
None of which is difficult.

Just changing the length and width of the photo explains a lot of it. Everything else? Have any of you used a program like photoshop before?

Look I didnt want this to turn into a flame...but freehand drawing while looking at the picture?? :lol Oh, and BTW, "the housefire". :rofl

Hey, believe what you want. Most people do anyways. This is the internet and we can be whoever we want to be. The thing I dont understand is why so many think we have to .

Heres what 45 seconds in PS can do.
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to this
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Originals were lost in a flood. All I have are digital copies.

Sorry if I missed the point to this picture here. It looks nothing like a drawing and everything like a photoshopped image. You managed to blur the image instead of making look like anything but a blurred image and you shaded out the flag, which even my obsolete computer and even worse eyes was able to detect.

Congradulations on showing us that you know how to manipulate and image, now show us how you can make it look like and hand drawing too.
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2009, 08:48:42 PM »

Look I didnt want this to turn into a flame...but freehand drawing while looking at the picture?? :lol Oh, and BTW, "the housefire". :rofl


You're coming off very poorly here, Rich.  If your accusations are incorrect (which many, including myself, think is the case), then not only are you being a jerk about a drawing, but far more importantly, you're dismissing the guy's house burning down...

Why don't you just bow out while you can?
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2009, 08:50:44 PM »
Madda excellent work.



This is the internet and we can be whoever we want to be.

And this is your choice?  I'm inclined to believe that you can't help yourself.

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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2009, 09:24:30 PM »
Wow, what a bunch of craziness!  First off, AKP, thanks a lot for making a much better rebuttal than I would ever have been able to do.  I've never really messed with Photoshop so I can't really use it for beans.  I appreciate the work you put into that pretty obvious slam.  It brought a smile to my face.  The fact that he doesn't want to believe that it's a drawing that I made is really fairly insignifigant to me.  My friends and family and everyone that I know and care about know the truth because they all saw it being done, my squaddies know, because they saw in progress shots and then the finished work too.  That alone is good enough for me.  You guys all coming out to back me up and even doing work to prove my point, that's just a sweet icing on the cake.  I appreciate it, thanks all. 

ace pilot, thanks for calling me a cheater!  WooHoo!! 

The order that I drew it in was basically the same as I work on any actual drawing that is more than just a quick sketch.  I draw a good and only slightly sketchy outline and I make sure all my proportions are right before I go any further.  I make sure everything lines up relative to every landmark that I can see.  I draw upside down and right side up and sideways and at all angles, I move the paper any which way as I go.  Once that is done I start blocking in the areas that are going to be darker and working the detail and shading into those areas and then I follow up withe the lighter areas.  I usually start on whatever area looks the most interesting to draw first, failing that I work left to right, since I'm right handed.  I actually think I started from the left and worked my way right on that one.  I know all the detail work was done that way for sure, but I think I sketched it out in that order also, to the best of my recollection.  The basic line drawing was done in an hour or two, the rest of it took months. 

Here's another pic that kind of shows my methodology, it was juuuust about finished when the fire took it too.  I was drawing this for a friend of mine who also happens to be an AH player.  I met him back in aw days, his father was a Naval aviator during the war, and this is a portrait of him that I was making.  I never got to send him the finished product because of the fire, and I've always regretted that. 


Another note on the apartment fire, it not only destroyed all my artwork, but also all my supplies, all my paints, pencils and erasers and paper, my airbrush and good silent compressor, all my model building equipment and kits, furniture clothes and everything else.  I got out with my dog and my girlfriend and the clothes that I put on when the dog woke us up.  I'm only just now beginning to restock stuff.  I can't understand what anyone would think that I stand to gain by lying about all of that just out of the blue.

Thank you all. 
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2009, 10:53:58 PM »
Madda, I'm absolutely amazed at your patience.

Rich, I very, very seldom expend any effort to try and help anyone as absolute and resolutely benighted as you so obviously are, and I'm not going to break my streak for your sake.  :lol

I've never seen anyone so obviously wrong try to so pathetically pretend otherwise. You must be a hoot at parties, people must ask your opinion for the entertainment value alone. I'm going to hazard a guess it doesn't happen often.

Note to self: Don't go on any expeditions that Rich leads. The guy couldn't find his backside if it were lit up in neon light. He'd probably insist it was just a illusion done in Photoshop and proceed to "prove" it.
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2009, 11:03:30 PM »
Bombrich.....you, sir, are clueless to art.  Matter of fact, if you think no one can look at that picture and free hand it, making it look just like the original, then let me call my art teacher and have him send me some of my artwork and his as well.  It's a skill.  One that you, apparently, do not have, and you are either jealous of the fact that Madda has this skill or you envy him.  Either way, you are approaching this in the wrong fashion and making yourself look like a total feces-exit-way.
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2009, 11:29:35 PM »
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2009, 09:42:03 AM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2009, 09:52:51 AM »
Skuzzy has enough work...
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2009, 10:05:34 AM »
I think these just about say it all... yeah, I found you on Photobucket Madda...  Hope you dont mind me posting these, but they need to be seen.













Very consistent style, shading, detail, and technique.  I think most of us understand that the "hawk" is a sketch, and what the difference between a sketch and a worked piece of art is. 

Great work on all of these.  :salute
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2009, 10:35:22 AM »
Not only did you capture the image Madda, but in looking at the pics AKP posted, i could almost tell you what all the persons in these drawings are thinking, amazing artwork sir.
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Re: Iwo Jima drawing
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2009, 11:57:21 AM »
Maddafinga if you drew all those by hand then I retract what I said and ask to be forgiven.

Your word is good enough, tho I'd rather have done it away from the peanut gallery. Or was it peanut brained?

Unfortunatly Ive become very suspicious towards anything I hear on the Internet.

Good luck to you on your art endeavors.
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