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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2009, 08:14:41 PM »
The Yak-9T has the same 37mm cannon as the IL2. Only one of them.

Same ballistics, same ROF, same everything. Not to be mistaken for the Colt 37mm on the P-39.

Its probably the best anti-Tank cannon of the war. On an airplane that is.

Except the Yak fires an HE round, not AP.
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2009, 08:19:26 PM »
Not to be mistaken for the Colt 37mm on the P-39.


Actually, it's Oldsmobile not Colt.


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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2009, 08:21:56 PM »
The Yak kicks butt and doesn't deserve inclusion in this thread except for its required gunnery discipline.

back when i flew in ew all the time......i jumped into a hurri2c. got an enemy in my sights, and held the trigger,.......missed. got him there again, squeezed the trigger.......nothing!!   :x :x

that's when i learned "short burst, short burst"

even in my 38, i still fire short bursts.
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2009, 08:23:20 PM »
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 I'm out there to beat myself - heheheh
,,,AND still having a blast.



isn't this illegal in some states?? :noid :noid
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2009, 08:37:40 PM »
Actually, it's Oldsmobile not Colt.

The gun was a Colt company product which Oldsmobile also manufactured.
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2009, 08:47:35 PM »
Go grab someone off the street who has never played this game before, sit him down in your chair, turn the engine on, and tell him to have fun.

See how well he does in each of those three planes.  There's one in particular that is going to give him more trouble.

You can even take off for him, if you're feeling very generous...  The results will be the same.



True enough vudak, The one you speek of is UBER UBER! The example I like is--> Two kids learn to ride BMX bikes together, both of them with training wheels. After a couple days they decide to race, (training wheels) still attached. The result of this race was suprisingly close because the training wheels limited performance sooo much. After a couple days one of them removes the training wheels " doesn't matter which one "and they race again. The kid without training wheels falls a couple times but because the performance of his bike without training wheels is sooooooooo much better he easily wins!

  You see in my example the bike with training wheels is the same as LA7, spit, ki84, etc. etc. The better bike "without" training wheels is same as Corsair, P38, 109G14 and K4 etc. etc.

Another example : If you've learned to drive an Indy car, why would you ever seek better performance in nascar ?  ;)  You wouldn't, cause there is none   :aok

The plane I believe you speek of, the "corsair" is possibly the very best series of plane in this game  IMHO! Easiest to create an overshoot in, Holds energy like nothing else and with a little practice and flap management will out turn almost anything "at least long enough to gain a couple shots". A well flown corsair packin a little E is a very dangerous adversary indeed! There is less to fear from a well flown LA7, spit or ki etc. etc.     again IMHO   :salute

Those whos main rides are corsairs, p38s etc. will have a much bigger challenge in the so called "NOOB" rides then in the actual "very best rides " in the game  :aok :aok
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2009, 08:48:50 PM »
ENY is an unreliable indicator.

The Fw-190D9 and Ki-84 are ~15. The 109 K-4 is 20! As is the SpitIX. The Yak9U has already been mentioned.

Meanwhile, the P-47N is ~5.   :huh

So just make sure one's high ENY ride is well and truly crapulent before bragging about flying it. ;)
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2009, 08:55:07 PM »
ENY is an unreliable indicator.

The Fw-190D9 and Ki-84 are ~15. The 109 K-4 is 20! As is the SpitIX. The Yak9U has already been mentioned.

Meanwhile, the P-47N is ~5.   :huh

So just make sure one's high ENY ride is well and truly crapulent before bragging about flying it. ;)


   :aok  well said  :aok

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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2009, 09:01:15 PM »
True enough vudak, The one you speek of is UBER UBER! The example I like is--> Two kids learn to ride BMX bikes together, both of them with training wheels. After a couple days they decide to race, (training wheels) still attached. The result of this race was suprisingly close because the training wheels limited performance sooo much. After a couple days one of them removes the training wheels " doesn't matter which one "and they race again. The kid without training wheels falls a couple times but because the performance of his bike without training wheels is sooooooooo much better he easily wins!

  You see in my example the bike with training wheels is the same as LA7, spit, ki84, etc. etc. The better bike "without" training wheels is same as Corsair, P38, 109G14 and K4 etc. etc.

Another example : If you've learned to drive an Indy car, why would you ever seek better performance in nascar ?  ;)  You wouldn't, cause there is none   :aok

The plane I believe you speek of, the "corsair" is possibly the very best series of plane in this game  IMHO! Easiest to create an overshoot in, Holds energy like nothing else and with a little practice and flap management will out turn almost anything. A well flown corsair packin a little E is a very dangerous adversary indeed! There is less to fear from a well flown LA7, spit or ki etc. etc.     again IMHO   :salute

I consider the Corsair pretty similar to the P38...  Both have more than enough tools to stand a decent chance against most if not all of the plane set, but if they were really "easy mode" (which both have been accused of now and then), then we'd see two things happen:

1. We would recommend them to newbies as a first ride; and
2. They would not be the two aircraft that have, hands down, the most requests for assistance with in the Help & Training area (I'd say the 109K4 is probably 3rd).

I'll agree that you are correct that a player who has put time and effort into this game can have great success with comparative ease in a Corsair, 38, or K4, as opposed to some other aircraft, but this is a reflection of the effort they have put into the game as a whole, and not a reflection of the planes actually being "easy" for the every day joe to fly well.  In fact, all have some serious quirks that can quickly seal your fate if you're not careful.  I know there are plenty of times where I push it too hard and have a costly misstep, and it's been my favorite ride for years.

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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2009, 09:01:57 PM »
Except the Yak fires an HE round, not AP.

Maybe in the game. In real life it fired both.

Tho I suspect more HE then AP. The Yank 37mm fired both as well. As did the B-25H cannon.

It would be nice to have all the actual ords available in the game. :salute
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2009, 09:04:25 PM »
I have to agree, 20 is the magic number. Only fly below that in rare special circumstances, like a base under attack, then I will up a Nikki, spit 16 or LA7 for troops and anti vulching.
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2009, 09:07:01 PM »
I party with the F6F, 190A8 as my fighters. When I'm a bomb**** my choice is a p47d40 or my specialty B5N2. However, lately my favorite has been 190f8. it may turn like a turd but i love killing ack and those 12 rockets sure are fun to let loose.  :x

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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2009, 09:08:14 PM »
Fly any plane you want, just don't come on the forums and complain you want more competition when 99% of what you fly is late war, low eny aircraft.

(note:this comment wasn't directed at anyone in this thread)
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2009, 09:13:54 PM »
I consider the Corsair pretty similar to the P38...  Both have more than enough tools to stand a decent chance against most if not all of the plane set, but if they were really "easy mode" (which both have been accused of now and then), then we'd see two things happen:

1. We would recommend them to newbies as a first ride; and
2. They would not be the two aircraft that have, hands down, the most requests for assistance with in the Help & Training area (I'd say the 109K4 is probably 3rd).

I'll agree that you are correct that a player who has put time and effort into this game can have great success with comparative ease in a Corsair, 38, or K4, as opposed to some other aircraft, but this is a reflection of the effort they have put into the game as a whole, and not a reflection of the planes actually being "easy" for the every day joe to fly well.  In fact, all have some serious quirks that can quickly seal your fate if you're not careful.  I know there are plenty of times where I push it too hard and have a costly misstep, and it's been my favorite ride for years.

 :salute

Well they are  "easymode" for those who use them all the time! Maybe you should try one of the "noob easymode" planes for a week, and see if you have the same success!

I use to fly the ki84 all the time. been tryin many different rides out for awhile now. The corsair was so stable and gentle it amazed me! In a 1v1 or even 1v2 it will absolutely excell. The only prob I could see with the corsair was once your E was gone you weren't getting it back anytime soon! But even when slow the corsair is UBER. I will freely admit, like the 38 it is a big target and easily chewed up in the horde. Other than that I find it quite easy, so much so I stopped flying it after a week. The 38 is in the same league with the corsair, although it is bigger and draws more gangflies to it. But its performance is stellar as well!   again,  IMHO :salute
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Re: Concerning high eny aircraft.
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2009, 10:13:48 PM »
Fly want you want. Have fun and be good at it. :salute
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