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Offline RipChord929

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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2009, 03:33:15 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on August 29, 2009, 11:51:12 AM
"I don't like getting killed" trumps logic aye?

GV'ers will always face the problem that they are overwhelmingly out-numbered by people who want to fly, and the fact that GVs were and are very vulnerable to air attack. This does not justify some guy in a Tiger (or, more to the point, a wirbel) asking to be invisible when airplanes that are tiny by comparison have neon signs hanging over them.

I guess that means, that the allied aircraft that DAILY flew over the MASSIVE german buildup of tanks before the Battle of the bulge, without ever noticing them, JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN HUH.....?   Why DID that happen?
Because they were HIDING UNDER THE TREE'S, DUH!!!  Some just don't wanna loose their easycheezy kills!!!  
So, I guess the answer should be:  But no, those tanks and troops just materialized overnight, right?  LOL!!!


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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2009, 03:37:19 PM »
Why not just get rid of all icons except friendly icons?  I know its not a 100% fix but by only having friendly cons you would know that any dot on the horizon or  a target on the ground is enemy.  But without the icon you would not know what type of plane you are engaging until you had a vis.  Now I would say once you get within 1000 then the plane type is displayed.  Then by that time you choice but to fight or retreat.  What do you all say??

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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2009, 03:47:51 PM »
Quote from: BigKev03 on August 29, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
Why not just get rid of all icons except friendly icons?  I know its not a 100% fix but by only having friendly cons you would know that any dot on the horizon or  a target on the ground is enemy.  But without the icon you would not know what type of plane you are engaging until you had a vis.  Now I would say once you get within 1000 then the plane type is displayed.  Then by that time you choice but to fight or retreat.  What do you all say??

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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2009, 03:56:09 PM »
Quote from: RipChord929 on August 29, 2009, 03:33:15 PM
I guess that means, that the allied aircraft that DAILY flew over the MASSIVE german buildup of tanks before the Battle of the bulge, without ever noticing them, JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN HUH.....?   Why DID that happen?
Because they were HIDING UNDER THE TREE'S, DUH!!!  Some just don't wanna loose their easycheezy kills!!!  
So, I guess the answer should be:  But no, those tanks and troops just materialized overnight, right?  LOL!!!


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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2009, 04:01:16 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on August 29, 2009, 03:56:09 PM
Three concepts you should know:

High altitude, bad weather,night.

Three things that are unknown in the AHII MA.



In reply, one concept you should know as well....     L5
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2009, 04:02:51 PM »
I'm all for getting rid of enemy GV icons when stopped. Makes sense to leave them on while moving or even while the engine's running, but a tank stopped and shut down in a thicket shouldn't be picked out by an La7 on climbout over top of him.

Quote from: onan on August 29, 2009, 08:31:54 AM
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2009, 04:12:00 PM »
Quote from: onan on August 29, 2009, 08:31:54 AM
  Like the jerks who shoot down 'chutes.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2009, 04:23:42 PM »
I'm a little torn on this issue but I see how it can be unfair for a tanker who seems to be hiding well from a plane but can easily be spotted due to icon.  What is the current icon range set at for tanks from air? 1.5k,2k?  I think 800yd icon range would be a lot more fair for tanks attempting to hide a little bit, but if the icon range was lowered or removed completely, you'd have m3s running a muck and sneaking into towns from all sorts of angles and stealing bases, they'd be impossible to spot and stop.  You'd somehow have to keep current icon settings for m3s and sdks and lower icon range settings for the offensive tank units.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2009, 04:26:10 PM »
That's why I say keep the icon when the motor's running.

I believe GV icons are 3k, but due to weirdness with terrain or something they pop up at somewhere between 2 and 1.5.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2009, 04:27:54 PM »
Quote from: OOZ662 on August 29, 2009, 04:26:10 PM
That's why I say keep the icon when the motor's running.

I believe GV icons are 3k, but due to weirdness with terrain or something they pop up at somewhere between 2 and 1.5.

And I keep telling you that whether or not the motor is running is a complete irrelevancy. Pilots didn't LISTEN for tanks, nor did tankers really constantly kill and restart their engines to listen while they do in-game for that matter.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2009, 04:30:30 PM »
Keep telling me? I just showed up, buddy. Cool off.

People didn't do a lot of things that exist in this game. Realism is sometimes put aside for immersion and/or playability, hence icons in the first place.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2009, 04:34:14 PM »
Quote from: OOZ662 on August 29, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
Keep telling me? I just showed up, buddy. Cool off.

People didn't do a lot of things that exist in this game. Realism is sometimes put aside for immersion and/or playability, hence icons in the first place.

Not being able to see and identify airplanes with a 35 foot wingspans OR thirty-ton tanks at 1000 yards would *not* be realistic at all, hence the icons.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2009, 04:36:23 PM »
I can turn off icons and identify tanks from quite a decent distance...maybe it's just me.

It'd be nice to see a comparison between how many people spot tanks only because of the huge red icon versus actually seeking them out, regardless of the icons.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2009, 04:39:02 PM »
Quote from: OOZ662 on August 29, 2009, 04:36:23 PM
I can turn off icons and identify tanks from quite a decent distance...maybe it's just me.

It'd be nice to see a comparison between how many people spot tanks only because of the huge red icon versus actually seeking them out, regardless of the icons.
I normally can too.
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Re: Icons for GV's
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2009, 06:23:50 PM »
Quote from: Bronk on August 29, 2009, 03:47:51 PM
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Because no screen can match the resolution/field of view of your eyeballs.

Well i beg to differ!  I can see dots on my horizon and I know that means I have an aircraft near the 6.0k range.  I can also tell direction of flight.  I can also see GV's moving.  A little harder if they are not.  I sometimes play without icons on just to learn a few things (which will remain state secrets, LOL).  I know I don't have the best graphics card in the world but yet I can see rather well.  Maybe some people are to dependent on the computer identifying aircraft for them rather than learning how to adapt to this game?????
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