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Offline JunkyII

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Re: Perk it!
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2009, 08:34:22 AM »
The range isn't what the problem is, it's the turret rotation speed and the high ROF with no reload. And I've never been hit farther than 1.5k, not saying it isn't possible but never happened to me. I just try to get alt and drop a bomb from as high as possible, or try to toss a pumpkin his way if ords are out.
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Re: Perk it!
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2009, 08:35:29 AM »
Why? A 75mm should make no impression on a plane?

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« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2009, 08:36:35 AM »
Fix the effect of all small caliber guns in this game . Kind of silly that the guns on a PT boat can harm a heavy cruiser . Won't go into the fact that they can sink it . Then fix the fact that a main gun on a tank can kill an airplane in flight .
NO i love shooting them down with that, fix it so you cant shoot an HE round in the way they are going and make a flying plane expolde :aok
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« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2009, 08:41:04 AM »
I think the algorithm is 2xd20 +4 for Charisma modifyer.

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« Reply #64 on: September 08, 2009, 08:49:09 AM »
Why? A 75mm should make no impression on a plane?

I think it's more the ease with which the gun can HIT a plane.
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« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2009, 09:02:50 AM »
I think it's more the ease with which the gun can HIT a plane.

90% of that ease comes from the way the planes attack the tanks. You have to fly at very close range right into the gun barrel to be hit. And "real"  WW2 tank gunners had never the opportunity to practice such a (to them) once-in-a-lifetime opportunity several dozen times per month.
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« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2009, 12:10:44 PM »
The only posts in this thread that mention perking the IL2 have come from you.  Just sayin'  :rofl


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« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2009, 12:27:11 PM »
Try reading thru the entire thread.

This time go ahead and move your Lips if thats what it takes.

It's amazing with your intelligence, or lack of, that you've managed to survive to adulthood.  Please show which post other than yours that mentions perking the IL2?  The only comments from others about the IL2 were a couple of posts saying that the IL2 should reflect its historical rate of fire.

If the Wirbelwind is changed to be within its historic capabilities, then the same has to be done for the 37mm Il-2.

Your comments are the only ones that mention perking the IL2 and then you make another post whining about those supposedly posting about perking the IL2 when in reality, it was only you doing it.  So in other words, you were whining about yourself.  Anyway, I'm done with you as I don't want your further idiocy getting this thread locked.  Have a nice day future Darwin Award winner.


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Re: Perk it!
« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2009, 12:40:18 PM »
It's amazing with your intelligence, or lack of, that you've managed to survive to adulthood.  Please show which post other than yours that mentions perking the IL2?  The only comments from others about the IL2 were a couple of posts saying that the IL2 should reflect its historical rate of fire.

Your comments are the only ones that mention perking the IL2 and then you make another post whining about those supposedly posting about perking the IL2 when in reality, it was only you doing it.  So in other words, you were whining about yourself.  Anyway, I'm done with you as I don't want your further idiocy getting this thread locked.  Have a nice day future Darwin Award winner.


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Re: Perk it!
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2009, 12:50:47 AM »
Why? A 75mm should make no impression on a plane?
Wow I wouldn't believe you said this had I not read it for myself . Exactly how do you think they should be able to HIT a flying plane ? If they could don't you think that an AA round would be part of standard load for MBT ? Do you think that a tank main gun can even track one ? Do you think that the optics are designed to do this ? The question is not if the round could damage a plane it is could it even come close ? Almost as ridiculous as the 4.2 inch AA rounds developed for mortars . Yes the chain in the round and the blast could have an effect . It is just not probable that they could be made to intentionally share the same air space .

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« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2009, 12:54:14 AM »
90% of that ease comes from the way the planes attack the tanks. You have to fly at very close range right into the gun barrel to be hit. And "real"  WW2 tank gunners had never the opportunity to practice such a (to them) once-in-a-lifetime opportunity several dozen times per month.
Once again you ignore the optics and the ability to track . How do you propose that you acquire the target ? Next ask me how I know this .(hint real life experience)

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« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2009, 01:22:24 AM »


The other side to the argument is pretty convincing though.  Sure, it never happened in WW2, but how often did a plane fly on the deck directly staring down the barrel of a turret trying to suicide strafe the tank?  I doubt that happened in WW2 either.  Surely tanks were strafed, but I'm sure a much higher degree of caution was taken.  Both scenarios are highly unlikely in reality, but make for some fun matchups in the game IMO.

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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2009, 01:55:00 AM »
The other side to the argument is pretty convincing though.  Sure, it never happened in WW2, but how often did a plane fly on the deck directly staring down the barrel of a turret trying to suicide strafe the tank?  I doubt that happened in WW2 either.  Surely tanks were strafed, but I'm sure a much higher degree of caution was taken.  Both scenarios are highly unlikely in reality, but make for some fun matchups in the game IMO.
Grizz my friend I don't care what angle is used where attack comes from . The optics and Traverse and elevation systems on tanks cant do it . You cant acquire and you can't track an A/C . This is not theoretical knowledge on my part .

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« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2009, 05:28:17 AM »
Grizz my friend I don't care what angle is used where attack comes from . The optics and Traverse and elevation systems on tanks cant do it . You cant acquire and you can't track an A/C . This is not theoretical knowledge on my part .

Fair point.  I obviously have no first hand experience, but wouldn't the entire turret aiming system have to be redone to be more realistic, become more complicated, and less fun?  I don't think controlling a tank turret with a joystick is 'realistic' but I like the compromise for gameplay.

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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2009, 10:16:30 AM »
Wow I wouldn't believe you said this had I not read it for myself . Exactly how do you think they should be able to HIT a flying plane ? If they could don't you think that an AA round would be part of standard load for MBT ? Do you think that a tank main gun can even track one ? Do you think that the optics are designed to do this ? The question is not if the round could damage a plane it is could it even come close ? Almost as ridiculous as the 4.2 inch AA rounds developed for mortars . Yes the chain in the round and the blast could have an effect . It is just not probable that they could be made to intentionally share the same air space .
Once again you ignore the optics and the ability to track . How do you propose that you acquire the target ? Next ask me how I know this .(hint real life experience)
Grizz my friend I don't care what angle is used where attack comes from . The optics and Traverse and elevation systems on tanks cant do it . You cant acquire and you can't track an A/C . This is not theoretical knowledge on my part .

Granted.. in WW2 they rarely, rarely had a chance to shoot at a plane attacking them with the main gun.. But, who knows, they may have.  In the jungles of the PTO, the Japanese soldiers were instructed to blindly fire their guns straight up into the air through the canopy of trees with the hopes of hitting enemy aircraft buzzing overhead. One confirmed case of this actually working is documented in the book ''The Jolly Rogers" by Tom Blackburn  :salute   

Point is, a tank hurls projectiles through the air.  Airplanes occupy air.  Airspace is limited and it is quite possible that 2 masses will attempt to occupy this same space at the same time.  A long time ago Newton said this is a no-no and, to this day, people are still failing to disprove this law.

I believe the targeting algorithm is TLAR   ( That looks about right )

Some people are better at it than others... just as some people are better at attacking bombers than others.. Takes practice and learning.  As does the method of attacking GVs.  I've been towered by main guns, just as I have towered others.  ( Still love putting a SB shell through a flight of tree hugging Lancs a few years back.. :D )

Unless you want to change the code to say that large calibre shells fired from GVs or Shore batteries have no effect on aircraft, I don't see a way around it.  And, even then, that doesn't sound realistic.  If your plane is trying to occupy the same space as a 75mm chunk of steel, the collision should register.


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