What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[CAP1]

So, what car did he eventually ended up buying? I didn't have the stamina to read all the 47 pages

Personally, I would have taken the Porsche

oooooooooo, but you SHOULD. it starts getting good and entertaining at somewhere around page 33 or 34. 

[CAP1]

Hmmm,a question with all the talk of pushrod vs ohc,what do the F1 cars use for a valve train?

   

all the pictures i can find, so far, the benze, beemr, and ferreri all look like cammers.

it would make sense too.......i can't see a pushrod engine spinning 18,000 rpm.

it's ashame they're limited to such a tiny engine..........a little bigger, and they could use lower rpms, and make the same numbers. 

[edog1977]

all the pictures i can find, so far, the benze, beemr, and ferreri all look like cammers.

it would make sense too.......i can't see a pushrod engine spinning 18,000 rpm.

it's ashame they're limited to such a tiny engine..........a little bigger, and they could use lower rpms, and make the same numbers. 

No springs, pneumatic valve.

[-tronski-]

Kimi might disagree with you.

Remember in the "good" old days when half the field would grind to a halt with their engine covers on fire...While I think Kimi's problems extend past engines, look at Schumachers reliability in the last 4 years of his career at Ferrari

 Tronsky

[morfiend]

No springs, pneumatic valve.

 rgr,That new tech... and the reason they can spin 19,000.A couple years or seasons back they were spinning over 20,thou but the new engine rules forced them to limit it to 19,000.

   

[Grayeagle]

So BigPlay .. if yer not factory trained you can't build a perfect motor?

ROFL.

Diehard .. in the case of the oval pistons .. common sense would indicate the oval pistons go in the oval holes.
-shrug- .. still just another motor, albeit a weird one.

As I said .. all I need to know are the specs and any tricks. You two can nit-pick all you like.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

*I* built a bracket motor and it ran in the car for 18 years.
It never broke.
I changed intake system, cam, converter, gears, tires ..to go a bit faster.
Bracket finals 4 different years, in SoCal division 7 back in the day.
You have to be invited, and place in the top 16 of the field in your bracket over a years schedule of races,
..and be able to walk the walk.

I worked for a SoCal speed shop for almost 10 years ..part time, while I was in the USAF.
Engine builder-tuner.
*Hundreds*
-shrug-

But what do I know.
Never been to a 'factory' school .. taught some factory guys how to setup a Mallory with a tunnel ram tho.

Was kinda cool to build that 454 Monte Carlo the CHP used between Barstow and the state line to bust the Ferrari's with.
We dual turbo'd it, put a 2.54 gear in the back .. 1k hp was at 5500 rpm .. we had to put the big pirelli's on it, had steel rims made for it, painted black, fit up under it, an the lil center caps ..you had to look close to see that the rears were 12's Fronts were 10.5's

Guy who drove it said they popped some nimrod in his red ferrari the first nite out ..the guy punched it thinkin to outrun the big chebby 4-door .. the Monte Carlo dropped into second, smoked the tires a bit, and blew by the ferrari to pull in front .. would have loved a look at the guys face in the Ferrari

..but your right Bigplay, nothin I ever built was 'perfect' .. every single one of 'em could have been faster .. LOL

Closest I got to 'perfect' was the 529" marine rat motor, titanium rods, crane roller, dual 1050's feedin Mondello Nascar heads with the direct port nitrous setup by the specs from the guy who set the record with his IHRA car .. far as I know the nitrous was never used.
It yanked the '69 camaro around like it was nothin ..ran a 9.30 on it's very first pass .. second pass it ate the ford 9" (I told the owner it would .. the motor was a monster .. intake valves were 2.35's (!!) ..cam was over .700" lift .. 6500 rpm shifts ..probably could have twisted it further ..just not much need to.

-GE aka Frank

[Bronk]

So BigPlay .. if yer not factory trained you can't build a perfect motor?

ROFL.

Diehard .. in the case of the oval pistons .. common sense would indicate the oval pistons go in the oval holes.
-shrug- .. still just another motor, albeit a weird one.

As I said .. all I need to know are the specs and any tricks. You two can nit-pick all you like.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

*I* built a bracket motor and it ran in the car for 18 years.
It never broke.
I changed intake system, cam, converter, gears, tires ..to go a bit faster.
Bracket finals 4 different years, in SoCal division 7 back in the day.
You have to be invited, and place in the top 16 of the field in your bracket over a years schedule of races,
..and be able to walk the walk.

I worked for a SoCal speed shop for almost 10 years ..part time, while I was in the USAF.
Engine builder-tuner.
*Hundreds*
-shrug-

But what do I know.
Never been to a 'factory' school .. taught some factory guys how to setup a Mallory with a tunnel ram tho.

Was kinda cool to build that 454 Monte Carlo the CHP used between Barstow and the state line to bust the Ferrari's with.
We dual turbo'd it, put a 2.54 gear in the back .. 1k hp was at 5500 rpm .. we had to put the big pirelli's on it, had steel rims made for it, painted black, fit up under it, an the lil center caps ..you had to look close to see that the rears were 12's Fronts were 10.5's

Guy who drove it said they popped some nimrod in his red ferrari the first nite out ..the guy punched it thinkin to outrun the big chebby 4-door .. the Monte Carlo dropped into second, smoked the tires a bit, and blew by the ferrari to pull in front .. would have loved a look at the guys face in the Ferrari

..but your right Bigplay, nothin I ever built was 'perfect' .. every single one of 'em could have been faster .. LOL

Closest I got to 'perfect' was the 529" marine rat motor, titanium rods, crane roller, dual 1050's feedin Mondello Nascar heads with the direct port nitrous setup by the specs from the guy who set the record with his IHRA car .. far as I know the nitrous was never used.
It yanked the '69 camaro around like it was nothin ..ran a 9.30 on it's very first pass .. second pass it ate the ford 9" (I told the owner it would .. the motor was a monster .. intake valves were 2.35's (!!) ..cam was over .700" lift .. 6500 rpm shifts ..probably could have twisted it further ..just not much need to.

-GE aka Frank

hehe nice.

[Grayeagle]

A visual aid:



-Frank aka GE

[CAP1]

No springs, pneumatic valve.

ya know.....i forgot about them.

if i recall, ford was messing around with them and electronic solenoid controlled valvetrain back in the 80's. i think they were trying to do it on their 2.3 liter engines.
 not sure, but i think gm was too.

[CAP1]

A visual aid:

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-Frank aka GE

no!!!! torque doesn't do anything in your car!

nice pic BTW............and i'd have loved to see that police car too!!

 nj state pd is using dodge chargers now. so far the 2 i've seen, are both silver. dunno if they're very fast, or pretty much the same as the ones you and i can buy.

 

[Grayeagle]

Aye Cap .. doin the Monte Carlo was fun.
So much room we could put stuff where it needed to be, not where there was a hole.

I told 'em when it was retired from service to let me know .. LOL
.. pretty sure it got snagged by one of the guys who drove it tho.

-GE aka Frank

[eddiek]

Was kinda cool to build that 454 Monte Carlo the CHP used between Barstow and the state line to bust the Ferrari's with.
We dual turbo'd it, put a 2.54 gear in the back .. 1k hp was at 5500 rpm .. we had to put the big pirelli's on it, had steel rims made for it, painted black, fit up under it, an the lil center caps ..you had to look close to see that the rears were 12's Fronts were 10.5's

Guy who drove it said they popped some nimrod in his red ferrari the first nite out ..the guy punched it thinkin to outrun the big chebby 4-door .. the Monte Carlo dropped into second, smoked the tires a bit, and blew by the ferrari to pull in front .. would have loved a look at the guys face in the Ferrari

Not trying to dispute you, GE, but did you mean Impala or Caprice?  I've never seen a 4 door Monte Carlo or heard of one either.
I have heard stories of an unmarked police vehicle being used back in the 70's and 80's up here in the Panhandle......IIRC, it was a Laguna with a 396 (others who were supposedly involved with it's operation claim it was really 454 stroked out to a 496) swapped in.  Built to run down speeders along I-40 and allegedly very successful in surprising many a foreign "super car" owner by overtaking them and then handing out a hefty citation.

[KgB]

 rgr,That new tech... and the reason they can spin 19,000.A couple years or seasons back they were spinning over 20,thou but the new engine rules forced them to limit it to 19,000.

   

Remember in 80's  f1 engines were producing 1400+ HP out of 1.5 litre? They still had spring valves,13000 rpm was their limit tho

[Grayeagle]

eddieK .. it was a 4-door .. you're absolutely right .. was a Caprice .. I have no idea why Monte Carlo stuck in my head.
It had the 'cage' in back and the 12 gauge up front.. the CHP useda take the gun out when they brought it in --evil grin--

-GE aka Frank

[Saurdaukar]

Remember in the "good" old days when half the field would grind to a halt with their engine covers on fire...While I think Kimi's problems extend past engines, look at Schumachers reliability in the last 4 years of his career at Ferrari

 Tronsky

No doubt Ferrari had it down cold.

Now... as for the good old days... I think they ended when Mika left.  Loved him.