Eric Hartmann was a HO'er...

[gyrene81]

   Just using the pointy stick to stir some natives... 

Excerpt from the last interview with Lufwaffe ace pilot Eric Hartmann:

I was in a duel with a Red Banner flown Yak-9,

and this guy was good, and absolutely insane. He tried and tried to get in

behind me, and every time he went to open fire I would jerk out of the way of

his rounds. Then he pulled up and rolled, and we approached each other head

on, firing, with no hits either way. This happened two times. Finally I rolled

into a negative G dive, out of his line of sight, and rolled out to chase him at

full throttle. I came in from below in a shallow climb and flamed him.

Someone here said it was never done in real life...maybe Hartmann lied.

[Guppy35]

Whoever said it wasn't done in real life, didn't have a clue.

That being said, using it as an excuse for doing it in a cartoon game doesn't work either, as we don't risk dying.  We have nothing to lose by actually engaging in air combat.  No country will be destroyed, no civillians killed etc.

The second we only get one life and we're done playing AH afterwards forever, then you can use real life HO'ing as your justification.

Til then, it doesn't work for me

[SkyRock]

Whoever said it wasn't done in real life, didn't have a clue.

That being said, using it as an excuse for doing it in a cartoon game doesn't work either, as we don't risk dying.  We have nothing to lose by actually engaging in air combat.  No country will be destroyed, no civillians killed etc.

The second we only get one life and we're done playing AH afterwards forever, then you can use real life HO'ing as your justification.

Til then, it doesn't work for me

well said Dan. 

[Masherbrum]

Whoever said it wasn't done in real life, didn't have a clue.

That being said, using it as an excuse for doing it in a cartoon game doesn't work either, as we don't risk dying.  We have nothing to lose by actually engaging in air combat.  No country will be destroyed, no civillians killed etc.

The second we only get one life and we're done playing AH afterwards forever, then you can use real life HO'ing as your justification.

Til then, it doesn't work for me

QFT

[BnZs]

In AHII when both commit to a HO it  almost invariably results in two aircraft too damaged for further combat. This is why it is frowned upon. I think in real combat with no-icons and a fast closure rate and little time time to see, decide, and shoot, the hit% of such shots would be greatly reduced. Notice that no hits were scored on either HO pass, Hartmann actually killing the Yak driver after what sounds like an overshoot.

[crazyivan]

The Hartmann in AH is also a Hoer in his  tater gun!  hehe Don't think he's on the bbs though. I kid I kid.

 Didn't Hartman grow up in China hmmm? Anyway to have that many kills he must of been 1 good ho!

[AirFlyer]

QFT

QFQT

[Anaxogoras]

Generally agree with Corkyjr, but I will HO any chance I get if I find myself in a 3-4+ on 1 with no real chance of surviving.  You know that at least one of them will oblige in their impatience to compete for the kill.

[Stixx]

Whoever said it wasn't done in real life, didn't have a clue.

That being said, using it as an excuse for doing it in a cartoon game doesn't work either, as we don't risk dying.  We have nothing to lose by actually engaging in air combat.  No country will be destroyed, no civillians killed etc.

The second we only get one life and we're done playing AH afterwards forever, then you can use real life HO'ing as your justification.

Til then, it doesn't work for me

+1

[Noir]

Didn't Hartman grow up in China hmmm? Anyway to have that many kills he must of been 1 good ho!

fail

[DREDIOCK]

In AHII when both commit to a HO it  almost invariably results in two aircraft too damaged for further combat. This is why it is frowned upon. I think in real combat with no-icons and a fast closure rate and little time time to see, decide, and shoot, the hit% of such shots would be greatly reduced. Notice that no hits were scored on either HO pass, Hartmann actually killing the Yak driver after what sounds like an overshoot.

I remember reading somewhere that while it was done IRL. It wasnt exactly encouraged because to acheive guns solutions often resulted in the same undesirable results we often have here. A collision.

Probably why there are a whole lot more medals given post mortem  then to live ones.

[batch]

no it wasnt encouraged............

but it was taught as a combat maneuver......... as it has been taught since the beginning of combat flight and is still taught in flight training to this day... even with our modern birds


what I find funny is someone was quick to point out that no damage was done on either HO pass...... but they still didnt recognize the fact that even Eric Hartmann couldnt avoid the HO TWICE

[palef]

fail

Err yeah he did actually spend his early childhood in China. His Dad was a doctor and worked in Chengsha. They moved back to Germany in 1928 I think, because of the start of the Civil War between the Kuomintang and the Communists. Hartmann would have been 6 when they moved back to Germany.

[Noir]

Err yeah he did actually spend his early childhood in China. His Dad was a doctor and worked in Chengsha. They moved back to Germany in 1928 I think, because of the start of the Civil War between the Kuomintang and the Communists. Hartmann would have been 6 when they moved back to Germany.

I was talking about the "joke"

[trotter]

I also am confused about the China "ho" joke. Not really funny whatsoever, unless there is some big inside laugh I am not invited to.

Guppy's quote represents the truth, no other comment necessary.