Let me tell you about HOs...
POINTLESS
And I'll tell you why.
A while ago a nameless pilot who I had very much respected (and still highly respect) asked me for a dogfight. So we merge, guns cold, and both proceed to pull an immleman. We both pull up and roll over, we both have our guns on each other, each just as capable to blow the brains out of the other. He fires, giving me a face full. I asked him, "Why HO?." His response was, "Technically a HO is 2 planes coming straight at each other with about 2k separation. After first merge and maneuvering begins, anything goes."
Now consider this: (firstly I will tell you that the following did not happen as I had too much respect to shoot down this pilot in cold blood); I respond, "I understand, shall we go again?" He agrees, so we merge again, guns cold, pull up and over, and I blast his nose apart before he even knew where it was in relation to me. So now I get to inform him, "Wow what a fun fight eh? Yeah, my hands are really shaking after that. And you now what els? I learned a lot from it too! What did you learn?" We could say that he learned that he needs to get his nose around faster to pull the trigger before I do. The problem is I'm already turning at corner velocity (we are assuming the same plane), so we would just get nose on at the exact same time, pull the trigger at the same time, and die at the same time. We lose at the same time.
Why would anyone call that a fight?