Question about a P-51 maneuver

[Anaxogoras]

Two points: 

1. Dogfights has featured WW1 combat where no Americans were involved.

2. The showing being American is no justification for its blatant jingoism and cherrypicking of historical anecdote.  As such, the show is not a series of mini-documentaries, but mere propaganda that panders to the lowest common denominator who share the attention span of a gnat.

[Shuffler]

Two points: 

1. Dogfights has featured WW1 combat where no Americans were involved.

2. The showing being American is no justification for its blatant jingoism and cherrypicking of historical anecdote.  As such, the show is not a series of mini-documentaries, but mere propaganda that panders to the lowest common denominator who share the attention span of a gnat.

Said like a true.... umm uhhh..... ok said like someone who never changes underwear so he can tell which way they go on. 

[saantana]

Only a person interested in air combat like most of us could find Polish biplanes or Chinese monoplanes attempting to put up a fight in the least interesting so I am assuming you want to see German aces or Russian aces and how they went about business. Question is what advertisers would pay for segments under that episode... probably the same ones that buy them now.

Not attempting to take away from your statement but I had to read it several times to understand what you meant. To be historically accurate, Poland did not use bi planes as fighters, only as recon. I have no information on Chinese fighters in WW2.
Yes, I would like to see some about Russian aces, but I would like to see more of German aces as some of these pilots flew the span of the entire war and I find their stories very captivating. When I searched last, I couldn't find an episode on the Battle of Britain which was very disappointing also. The fights over the channel, the initial match ups of BF 109's and the early spitfires, would be entertaining to most US flight enthusiasts as well I'm sure.

[saantana]

Two points: 

1. Dogfights has featured WW1 combat where no Americans were involved.

2. The showing being American is no justification for its blatant jingoism and cherrypicking of historical anecdote.  As such, the show is not a series of mini-documentaries, but mere propaganda that panders to the lowest common denominator who share the attention span of a gnat.

Point 2 is what I was trying to say but might have gone about it the wrong way 

[Chalenge]

I was referring to the opening minutes of the war when Poland was decimated and the Chinese likewise by the Japanese. The airplanes in those scenarios didnt last very long but there were some instances of heroics just the same. Of course you dont hear about it because the pilots are dead and so are most of those that witnessed the events and how many people are clamoring to see that in animated detail?

[Chalenge]

Two points: 

1. Dogfights has featured WW1 combat where no Americans were involved.

2. The showing being American is no justification for its blatant jingoism and cherrypicking of historical anecdote.  As such, the show is not a series of mini-documentaries, but mere propaganda that panders to the lowest common denominator who share the attention span of a gnat.

Your assertion is absurd and your description ridiculous.

[saantana]

I was referring to the opening minutes of the war when Poland was decimated and the Chinese likewise by the Japanese. The airplanes in those scenarios didnt last very long but there were some instances of heroics just the same. Of course you dont hear about it because the pilots are dead and so are most of those that witnessed the events and how many people are clamoring to see that in animated detail?

Define decimated 

[Chalenge]

I agree that Poland gave Germany more of a spanking then they expected but the reality is that Germany destroyed the Polish Air Force in the 1939 conflict and Polish forces in exile depended completely upon British aircraft afterwards. I think the common man on the street would think Polish aircraft were vaporized the minute the Luftwaffe entered their airspace which is not true but as I said the details will not be making their way to Dogfights anytime soon.

Chinese pilots were the butt of jokes for decades following WWII because their planes were technologically far behind the Japanese planes and their training could not compare to the pilots they faced. The Chinese pilots were not lacking in willingness to fight anymore than the Polish pilots were but how many stories have you heard of the Chinese pilots working with the AVG? And yet there are some very good stories of courage and tenacity to be had about both the Polish and the Chinese.

[Steve]

Well that's debatable. I know that History Channel is available in many countries, but that alone doesn't make your argument void.

It doesn't void anything. I said "primarily"

Also, probably more difficult to find Axis fighter pilots to tell stories. I'm pretty confident that a lower percentage survived the war compared to American pilots.

[SectorNine50]

That move is do-able in-game and is very fun!  Kind of disorienting the first few times you do it.  Like Steve said though... it's really quite a last ditch thing, you lose all your speed and at least 2k in altitude before you can start to pull up again.

I've found the maneuver works best with one notch of flaps in-game.  You really have to pick your moment with this move too cause it lines you up for a very easy shot if they are far enough behind you.  I only use it when they are 200 or less off and we are moving at a pretty good clip.

[Chalenge]

And still no film of this 'move' so Im not accepting its anything more than a snaproll.  

[Shifty]

I like the show in general because of the animations but the amount of American self love in it is just too much sometimes. I would love to see a clip of an American pilot getting his bellybutton handed to him just for historical accuracy and to make void my claim. However that won't happen because it's an American show.  

No you didn't intend to get political. 

[Enker]

And still no film of this 'move' so Im not accepting its anything more than a snaproll.  

There is a flat plate that works similar to this move, but I have yet to figure out HTF the other one was done. I do know that the Spitfire can do the flat plate, and the Corsairs have a different reaction to the same control inputs, as the inputs cause it to do a VERY fast inverted barrel roll which then becomes a tailfirst fall from the sky if you do not get out of it soon enough. I don't know about the Jug though, and do not have the desire to attempt this at 300mph in a Zero.

[Steve]

And still no film of this 'move' so Im not accepting its anything more than a snaproll.  

This move has already been posted in other threads.  Thanks for calling me  a liar though.

[uptown]

And still no film of this 'move' so Im not accepting its anything more than a snaproll.  

Page 1 of this thread. SPKmes post. Click link scroll down to dTango post and click on "P-51 flat plating" . Tango does it on Kamori.