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Offline saantana

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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2009, 07:17:14 PM »
No you didn't intend to get political.  :rolleyes:

Back from my neck of the woods, my sarcasm would result in a couple of smiles. A little poking never hurt anyone?
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2009, 07:21:57 PM »
This move has already been posted in other threads.  Thanks for calling me  a liar though.

Dont put words in my mouth just post a link.
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2009, 07:25:37 PM »
It doesn't void anything. I said "primarily"

Also, probably more difficult to find Axis fighter pilots to tell stories. I'm pretty confident that a lower percentage survived the war compared to American pilots.

Your confidence is justified in the majority of cases. However the greatest axis aces did survive the war if I'm not mistaken.
This also applies to British pilots.
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2009, 07:29:12 PM »
Page 1 of this thread. SPKmes post. Click link scroll down to dTango post and click on "P-51 flat plating" . Tango does it on Kamori.  :salute

It isnt anything special and doesnt appear to be anything 'new.'
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2009, 09:14:23 PM »
Back from my neck of the woods, my sarcasm would result in a couple of smiles. A little poking never hurt anyone?
Relax. I like Rambo.
I am relaxed, and I could care less what you think of Rambo. A lot of Americans have had their tulips handed to them trying to defend and free people all over this globe.
If that's what you need to see to get your jollies,, there's plenty of it in other programs on The History Channel. I'm sure you'll see film of enough dead or wounded Americans to make your day.

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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2009, 10:16:49 PM »
I am relaxed, and I could care less what you think of Rambo. A lot of Americans have had their tulips handed to them trying to defend and free people all over this globe.
If that's what you need to see to get your jollies,, there's plenty of it in other programs on The History Channel. I'm sure you'll see film of enough dead or wounded Americans to make your day.

Are you implying dead or wounded Americans make my day? Further on if so, quote where I have said that.
Take your rants and cheap shots else where, we were having a nice discussion until you joined in.
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2009, 10:19:47 PM »
No problems here Saantana. I understand what you're saying.
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2009, 10:31:21 PM »
No problems here Saantana. I understand what you're saying.

 :D Thanks,

I'm off to watch those other dogfight shows that the thread mentioned, and maybe someone will still post an video of a similar move being performed in a pony as I haven't seen that done myself.
If this is already somewhere maybe someone could link to it.

Edit: nvm .. 1st page
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2009, 10:46:03 PM »
Are you implying dead or wounded Americans make my day?

You're the one wanting to see Americans having their tulips handed to them along with a smiley face. What else does that imply? This is niether a rant or a cheapshot. I guess if you can't explain yourself it's easier to make accusations towards the party calling your bluff. I'm thinking your comments were made out of ignorance. If you've ever seen a military person who's had their bellybutton handed to them you wouldn't make such childish statements. Plus if you do watch Dogfights you'll see quite a few Americans get shot down. However they concentrate the story on the individual who actually survived the fight, not his dead or missing squadmates. You don't seem to pay anymore attention to the program than you do your own comments about it. Is that something else common in your neck of the woods?

EDIT:
Here's a list of episodes from seasons 1 and 2.
I have yet to see the Falklands Episode. It's actually the one I'm most interested in since it was the last air/sea battle in the 20th century. I'd like to see the animations of Harrier manuvers.


Season TWO
KAMIKAZE
Imperial Japan, desperate to prop up their rapidly collapsing empire, sent poorly trained volunteer pilots in suicide attacks against American naval targets. This wasn't the only time pilots used the plane itself as a weapon. German, Russian, and even US ramming tactics will be explored.

JET VS. JET
In the skies over North Korea F86s slug it out with communist MiG-15s. American pilots are in pursuit of a previously unknown glory...the title of jet ace.

THUNDERBOLT
The P-47 Thunderbolt, or Jug as it was known distinguished itself as one of the most lethal dogfighters of World War II- a classic warbird best remembered for its size, ruggedness, and reputation for protecting the pilot.

DOGFIGHTS OF THE HOLY LAND
The innovative, delta-winged MiG-21 arrives in the Middle East. Israel must acquire a fighter to counter the threat and soon settles on the French-built Mirage III. The Mirage and MiG-21 seemed destined for combat with each other...but only one will emerge as the preeminent delta-wing fighter of its day.

GUN KILLS OF VIETNAM
The era of missiles had arrived. Electronic warfare was coming of age. But when technology fails pilots are forced to do combat the old-fashioned way-maneuver in close and blow the enemy out of the sky with guns.

THE FIRST DOGFIGHTERS
Some of the greatest fighter pilots of all time engaged in epic duels over the battered landscape of France and Belgium. Fokker triplanes, Spads, and SE5s go head to head in World War I's most famous dogfights.

NO ROOM FOR ERROR
It's where a pilot can ill afford to make a mistake...but where dogfights are inexorably drawn. Down on the deck-at treetop level-the margin for error is zero.

NIGHT FIGHTERS
From Radar equipped Hellcats in the Pacific to modern stealth technology.

THE BLOODIEST DAY
May 10, 1972. The bloodiest day of air combat during the Vietnam war featured numerous twisting and turning dogfigts. Bob Lodge and Roger Locher pioneer electronic warfare and engage in one of the most exciting air battles of the war.

P-51 MUSTANG
In the European theater of world war II the P-51 Mustang proved itself to be the quintessential dogfighter and went on to become the most famous warbird in history.

DOGFIGHTS OF DESERT STORM
The planes have changed but the jeopardy remains the same. American fighter pilots pit F-15s against Iraqi MiG-25s and advanced MiG-29s as part of Operation Desert Storm.

BATTLE FOR THE FALKLANDS
The 1982 Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands triggered war with the United Kingdom. Remarkable vertical take-off and landing Sea Harriers take on Mirages and A4s in some of the best dogfights of the modern age. The British establish air superiority but the Argentines sink several ships with wave-top level attacks in A4s.

SUPERSONIC
Stories of the development of jet aircraft and their subsequent introduction into combat. Includes stories of test pilots who were the first Germans and Americans to fly these aircraft and the great air battles that were fought through the years at Supersonic speed.

DEATH OF THE LUFTWAFFE
The Luftwaffe's last great offensive was launched on January 1, 1945...called Operation Bodenplatte. Oscar Boesch was a German pilot who took part. Sandy Moats and Alden Rigby were American pilots whose airbase was swarmed by fighters. After this day, the Luftwaffe was shattered as an effective fighting force.

TUSKEGEE AIRMEN
African-American pilots of the 332nd distinguished themselves as one of the most successful fighter groups of the war, despite the bigotry and prejudice they faced from their own countrymen.

Season ONE
MIG ALLEY
Air Force fighter pilots risk their lives flying sleek F-86 Sabres above "Mig Alley" - the most dangerous piece of sky in the Korean War. The high-speed twists and turns of history's first jet dogfights pit American aces Robbie Risner and Ralph Parr in the battles of their lives against nimble Russian-built MIG-15 fighters.

AIR AMBUSH
Legendary fighter pilot, Colonel Robin Olds, sets an intricate trap for the North Vietnamese MiG-21's. His squadron, the Wolfpack, disguises its lethal F-4 Phantoms as vulnerable bombers. The MIGs scream in to challenge the Americans. The result is the most elaborate air sting of the war...CODE NAME...Operation Bolo.

FLYING TIGERS
Two weeks after Pearl Harbor, a courageous, rag-tag band of American mercenaries dare to challenge the overwhelming might of the Japanese Air Force. The legendary "Flying Tigers" slash through the skies of China, and help vanquish the unstoppable Japanese. Follow leading Tiger aces Tex Hill and John Alison as their P-40 Tomahawks fight to the death against the agile Japanese I-97 Nate.

GUADALCANAL
August 1942...the Solomon Islands. Heroic, die-hard American pilots of the tiny Cactus Air Force match skills and instincts against top Japanese aces as they battle in the skies above Guadalcanal. Legendary Marine Capt John Smith and Medal of Honor recipients Jeff De Blanc and Jim Swett pit their tough F-4F Wildcats against the relentless Japanese Zeros. At stake - the fate of the Pacific War.

HELL OVER HANOI
The skies over Vietnam. They fight in a supersonic world, where split second decisions determine if they live - or die. American F4 Phantom pilots Fred Olmsted and Dan Cherry take on the famed MiG-21 - the most feared threat in the sky. And one American, Steve Ritchie, becomes a dog fighting legend as an Air Force Ace. You're in the cockpit with some of the fiercest dogfighting ever seen in Vietnam!

THE ZERO KILLERS
1943...the skies over the Pacific. The infamous Japanese Zero is decimating American aircraft. No allied plane can match Japan's deadliest fighter plane manned by killed Imperial Navy veterans. The American Navy rushes to deploy a new fighter to take on the unstoppable Zero...the F6F Hellcat. The Zero has met its match. Now, you're in the cockpit with legendary dogfighters Robert Duncan, Hamilton McWhorter and Alex Vraciu...their epic dogfights blazing a new chapter in the annals of aerial warfare.

THE LAST GUNFIGHTER
The U.S. Navy's top fighter, the F8 Crusader flown by skilled fighter jocks Paul Speer and Phil Wood, tackles the fierce North Vietnamese MiG over the killing skies of Vietnam. Re-live one of the longest, gut-wrenching dogfights on record as Lt. Commander Richard Schaffert - out of missles and with his guns jammed - takes on a lethal MiG-17 and the best enemy pilot he's ever faced. He's got one chance - the amazing capabilities of the F8 Crusader, "the last gunfighter".

DEATH OF THE JAPANESE NAVY
1944...the Pacific. It is one of the most amazing, lopsided naval battles in history: A mighty Japanese fleet let by the Yamato, the biggest battleship in the world - versus Taffy 3, a small U.S. task unit of tin can destroyers and baby flat-tops...ships too weak to fight and too slow to run. David battles Goliath in a fight for survival - with the lives of thousands of American soldiers in the balance.
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2009, 11:14:07 PM »
You're the one wanting to see Americans having their tulips handed to them along with a smiley face. What else does that imply? This is niether a rant or a cheapshot. I guess if you can't explain yourself it's easier to make accusations towards the party calling your bluff. I'm thinking your comments were made out of ignorance. If you've ever seen a military person who's had their bellybutton handed to them you wouldn't make such childish statements. Plus if you do watch Dogfights you'll see quite a few Americans get shot down. However they concentrate the story on the individual who actually survived the fight, not his dead or missing squadmates. You don't seem to pay anymore attention to the program than you do your own comments about it. Is that something else common in your neck of the woods?

You extrapolated my statements and then slapped on your own meaning. Getting 'their tulips handed to them' can have many interpretations, I don't chose which one you pick. Mine is 'losing a fight', and in Dogfights that means showing an ace winning one. It would be nice to see a stories of Axis aces, but because its a US show, this is less likely to happen. That was the point I made, sarcastically I hope.
An accusation of ignorance coming from yourself I find most amusing. ;)

Edit: That list illustrates my point :)
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #70 on: September 29, 2009, 01:34:08 AM »
Dont put words in my mouth just post a link.

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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #71 on: September 29, 2009, 02:07:04 AM »
I already saw tangos film and if thats the move...  :lol
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #72 on: September 29, 2009, 02:15:06 AM »
I already saw tangos film and if thats the move...  :lol

poor example
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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #73 on: September 29, 2009, 06:06:07 AM »
You extrapolated my statements and then slapped on your own meaning. Getting 'their tulips handed to them' can have many interpretations,

Not in wartime.

An accusation of ignorance coming from yourself I find most amusing. ;)

Of course you do, just as you thought your simple minded tulips handed to them comment would be amusing. You're just not as smart or funny as you think you are.

I do agree the show would be much more interesting if there were episodes concentrating on pilots from other countries.

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Re: Question about a P-51 maneuver
« Reply #74 on: September 29, 2009, 06:13:57 AM »
I already saw tangos film and if thats the move...  :lol
Why is that laughable?
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