Question about a P-51 maneuver

[Anaxogoras]

It doesn't void anything. I said "primarily"

Also, probably more difficult to find Axis fighter pilots to tell stories. I'm pretty confident that a lower percentage survived the war compared to American pilots.

The loss rates for the 8th AF were pretty catastrophic.  It surprised me when I saw the numbers, but look at it for yourself and you'll be (unpleasantly) surprised.  There's a reason why the ones who went home intact were called "lucky bastards."

With Gunther Rall still being alive, there's no excuse not to do a show with him.

[uptown]

poor example

It's the ONLY example I've ever seen. Maybe you will provide us with the film of YOU doing it. As a matter of fact, I challenge ANYONE to put up a film of their "flat plate".

[groundfeeder]

i think alot of people missed the fact(or not) that if this move, as depicted in the film was even possible you probably would have seen it at an airshow or two

[thorsim]

ok here is a question ...

which is the worst?

Great Planes
("Great American Planes" or "every piece of crap we ever flew is better than anything else anybody else ever flew")

Dogfights
("The Completely Slanted "History" of American Airmen, and Friends")

Showdown Air Combat
("Let down Air Combat", "Amazing Feats of American Airmen vs. Their Completely Inferior Opposistion")



  

[thorsim]

With Gunther Rall still being alive, there's no excuse not to do a show with him.

yea they seem to be overlooking a lot of content there ...

[Steve]

It's the ONLY example I've ever seen. Maybe you will provide us with the film of YOU doing it.

After the crap I've endured in this thread I'm not inclined to help so...........no.

[Getback]

I'm not sure about that fast. I somehow think the film was sped up a tad. What you can do, like in that video is if you have enough E, is lift the nose yank back hard on the stick, hit the flaps. I use this all the time on spits. Works really well for one shot. Uh don't miss.  

Addendum: forgot to mention to hit the left rudder.

[saantana]

After the crap I've endured in this thread I'm not inclined to help so...........no.

How convenient   also I don't see how you endured crap on this thread. Sounds a little over sensitive to me.

[BnZs]

How convenient   also I don't see how you endured crap on this thread. Sounds a little over sensitive to me.

"How convenient. A definition of God that DOESN'T require looking through a telescope. Get back to work!"

[Steve]

How convenient   also I don't see how you endured crap on this thread. Sounds a little over sensitive to me.

Well just from the little time I've been involved with you in this thread, I've come to the comclusion that you are a love muffin so I guess we are both content.

I have no idea why you or some other noob would presume that the onus is on me to show you one move or another. I didn't create the move or claim it as my own. In fact, I've only used once or twice because it is not one to utilize with multiple cons in the area, which is where I almost always find myself.  It basically leaves you hanging in the air with your nose down... takes a good 4 or 5 full secs to build E again.

You can continue to doubt its' existence if you like but.. I just don't care.

[BillyD]

         Back in the day when i flew with POTW this guy Rogentx ( who later flew with the 412th) used to pull off this wierd move as a last ditch escape method, is this the "flat plate"?  watch the film from keepsters view zoomed in on rogents 51, you'll see this whacked donut flat cavitation. he pulls it a bit too early and gets pinged but you can see the intent of quickly disappearing beneath the piper of an enemy on his six......




dasmuppets.com/public/billyd/film60.ahf

[saantana]

Well just from the little time I've been involved with you in this thread, I've come to the comclusion that you are a love muffin so I guess we are both content.

I have no idea why you or some other noob would presume that the onus is on me to show you one move or another. I didn't create the move or claim it as my own. In fact, I've only used once or twice because it is not one to utilize with multiple cons in the area, which is where I almost always find myself.  It basically leaves you hanging in the air with your nose down... takes a good 4 or 5 full secs to build E again.

You can continue to doubt its' existence if you like but.. I just don't care.

I was thinking of a witty reply but all of what I can come up with can be summarized by

 

[Chalenge]

         Back in the day when i flew with POTW this guy Rogentx ( who later flew with the 412th) used to pull off this wierd move as a last ditch escape method, is this the "flat plate"?  watch the film from keepsters view zoomed in on rogents 51, you'll see this whacked donut flat cavitation. he pulls it a bit too early and gets pinged but you can see the intent of quickly disappearing beneath the piper of an enemy on his six......

dasmuppets.com/public/billyd/film60.ahf

No its an outside snaproll. The 'flat plate' that tango did is not a new manoeuvre either and like I said... desperation will make people do stupid things sometimes but you cant blame them for trying (I guess).

[Shuffler]

I generally seperate my plane into a few pieces and move them in different directions. It confuses the con obviously as they almost always pull off.

Now sometimes you'll have another guy come shoot at your largest piece. I usually ignore them as they usually miss and I make it to the ground.

[Anaxogoras]

I was thinking of a witty reply but all of what I can come up with can be summarized by

 

He obliquely called you a noob.