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Offline minke

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getting ready for windows 7
« on: September 30, 2009, 04:33:37 PM »
Just waiting for my retail copy of windows 7,Ive got a decision to make.-

I have a 160gb seagate drive (about 5 years old) and a new samsung 1Tb drive

Should I install OS onto smaller/older drive to keep it fast or put it on the newer one,in case of hdd failure?

Guys I know at work all have windows on real small drives,and keep their mega storage for files,so I suppose that is an option. Spent lots on my rig this year already,I'm not really inclined to spend any more.

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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 04:37:26 PM »
If I was in your shoes, I put it on the newer drive (more so if the older drive isn't SATA).

Use the old HD as a back up in addition to putting your important files on CD/DVD.
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 05:36:07 PM »
my 2 cents which ever drive you decide ,if you don't use any mirror image software for back up,
since your going to do a new install eventually here, be a good time to start. Acronis and ghost are pay for programs and there is freeware out there, i don't know the names off hand.
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 08:14:00 PM »
my 2 cents which ever drive you decide ,if you don't use any mirror image software for back up,
since your going to do a new install eventually here, be a good time to start. Acronis and ghost are pay for programs and there is freeware out there, i don't know the names off hand.
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As far as open source software goes, I've been using Clonezilla (quite successfully) from a Live CD for partition & disk cloning.

But technically, Clonezilla is really a Linux distro containing partimage among other tools, rather than a "software package" - and although it's well enough integrated to be not a whole lot more more difficult to learn to use than Norton's Ghost if you understand the fundamentals, it's still a bit "techy" and I'm not entirely sure that someone who's asking a question as basic as this one is (no offense meant) is likely to be able to deal successfully with it.  A commercial program might be better. 

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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 08:51:50 PM »
I would think partitioning the 1 Tb HD would be best.......

keep the windows 7 OS on a smaller partition, say 120 to 250 gigs  in size....... then make 1 or more partitions for back up purposes.... or to even install another OS...... ( some might would want to go to even a smaller partition size for the OS partition, perhaps around 60 gig, 80 gig size.......)

just a suggestion.......

to add;  I believe in redundancy.... meaning using RAID 1 to have an instant backup in case of HD failure or problems....... and always make a Recovery disk or CD soon as you get your OS loaded and most important software app.s loaded......

just another suggestion
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 04:08:40 PM »
i agree with Tequila.
make a small partion (80g) from ur 1tb for ur main OS.
win7 has a built in partition manager that lets u resize/create partitions in win7 so if u find 80g is not enough u can easily make it larger.

i been running win7 pro (full release not beta and its legal) for about 2 months now and i prefer it big time over XP.

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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 04:36:57 PM »
Actually I didnt think about partitioning the drive  :rolleyes:

Its will be a fresh install, not having used or even tried vista, I'm going straight from xp, got all files I want to keep burned to cd,including IE8 (yeah I know some of you guys hate IE,but it works for me)
I'll stick with a 40gb partition for now.

Any other ideas or suggestions? Thanks for the help so far  :salute

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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 06:35:27 PM »
I would not partition the drive and particularly I would not install any program like a flight sim that I want to run well (fast) on anything but the primary partition of any drive.
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 06:40:05 AM »
b4 u remove xp download all the drivers u need (graphics mainly) especially any LAN drivers.

ive been using partition drives for over 10 years and never had any problems doing so.

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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 09:00:09 AM »
I would not partition the drive and particularly I would not install any program like a flight sim that I want to run well (fast) on anything but the primary partition of any drive.

Do you have any factual basis for this?
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 02:58:27 PM »
Every description of hard drive partitioning schemes I have ever come across defines secondary partitions as areas of the hard drive outside of the primary boot area. The boot area will be the fastest to access in every case and therefore the best place to put files that you want fast access to would be the primary partition. That being anecdotal evidence I have actually tried this and I discovered that using a secondary partition will slow down access and over time things just get worse and worse. That said you may not notice this at first with AHII because the hard drive accesses seem to grab much smaller data chunks than do programs like FSX using photo terrain images.

How much do you want to read? I could write about three pages on how to setup W7 for flight simulator X which will also make sure the system runs AHII more than fast enough. 
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 03:22:37 PM »
Every description of hard drive partitioning schemes I have ever come across defines secondary partitions as areas of the hard drive outside of the primary boot area. The boot area will be the fastest to access in every case and therefore the best place to put files that you want fast access to would be the primary partition. That being anecdotal evidence I have actually tried this and I discovered that using a secondary partition will slow down access and over time things just get worse and worse. That said you may not notice this at first with AHII because the hard drive accesses seem to grab much smaller data chunks than do programs like FSX using photo terrain images.

How much do you want to read? I could write about three pages on how to setup W7 for flight simulator X which will also make sure the system runs AHII more than fast enough.  

I can't say anything about FSX but AH2 needs little to no disk I/O during gameplay. It will load some textures occasionally most likely but that's it. Partitioning will have zero effect on gameplay. Comparing AH2 to FSX is comparing a mouse to an elephant.

The slowest part of a 1Tb 7200rpm drive will still be loads faster than an older smaller 7200rpm drive at its fastest. Not to mention that partitioning per se has nothing to do with using the inner areas of platters - they will be used eventually when the disk fills up no matter what. So it's really not worth even thinking about.

I have always partitioned my drives in several chunks and I never suffer from any performance problems. Quite the opposite.

Now, factually what you said is true. Partitioning will split the disk and the secondary partition will be on the 'slower' part of the disk. But the gaming experience is not dependent on it. The difference is negligble. People should concentrate on things that matter and stop digging for trouble where it's the least expected.

If games would constantly access hdd no game would run properly. There's about 1000 times performance difference between ram and hdd.
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 03:27:35 PM »
Yes but this is minke (not Ripley) and I believe AH cannot be the only use he has for his system. I would rather fully inform a user than limit them to the information I think they need which could be a very bad assumption.
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 03:31:27 PM »
Yes but this is minke (not Ripley) and I believe AH cannot be the only use he has for his system. I would rather fully inform a user than limit them to the information I think they need which could be a very bad assumption.

I'm 99.99999% certain you're concentrating on a totally futile thing here, Chalenge. I'm sure Skuzzy can verify if AH2 is dependant on high speed disk I/O during gameplay. If it is, I have not noticed it.
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Re: getting ready for windows 7
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 03:38:02 PM »
Its not always about AHII Ripley and thats the point.
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