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Offline Gabriel

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Re: Yak3
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2009, 05:29:14 PM »
Any sources for these claims?

Bergström , Stalingrad: The Air Battle: 1942-January 1943

As a result, the Soviets were able to build the Red Banner units, units of highly skilled fighter pilots. Just six months after Kursk, the ratio of Soviet to German aircraft losses had fallen from 4:1 to 3:2'

As the German fuel situation became desperate into 44/45 it is hardly surprising that they afforded less flight time to trainees.

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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2009, 09:58:04 PM »
The logical choice for a perk plane would be a Yak-3p.  It had more horsepower and 3 shvak 20mm cannon in the nose .  The Yak 3 family of AC were very effective because they reached top speed ( a shade over 400mph) at around 10,000ft.  The Lufftwaffe gave warnings to its pilots to not engage any Yak with the air scoop under the fuselage at lower altitude.  The Normandy-Neimen squadron picked the Yak3 over US/Brit fighters.  Used to be a bright red Yak-3 parked at the Shafter Warbirds Museum just north of Bakersfield, California.

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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2009, 10:49:04 PM »
That is because people always talk about the VK107 powered Yak-3 that saw service in Korea.  The post WWII Yak-3 climbs at over 5,000fpm and had an almost 450mph top speed.  The VK105 powered Yak-3 from WWII doesn't come close to those numbers.  It is the same what people talk about how the P-61 is a fast fighter, when the WWII versions were slower than the N1K2-J.

In Korea there were Yak-9P (VK107), not Yak-3 IIRC.

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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2009, 10:52:14 PM »
From what ive read the 3 20mm plus ammo weighed less than the standard loadout of the yak 3.

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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2009, 10:57:04 PM »
lol, really? And those 20's are  like 9 .50's in the nose. Thats some REAL hitting power....
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« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2009, 01:49:23 AM »
Bergström , Stalingrad: The Air Battle: 1942-January 1943


Thanks Gabriel  :aok


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« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2009, 07:51:10 AM »
lol, really? And those 20's are  like 9 .50's in the nose. Thats some REAL hitting power....

Huge balistic difference between most all 20mm's and the .50 cals.
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« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2009, 08:33:41 AM »
Thanks Gabriel  :aok

It is a good read and I enjoyed it very much

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« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2009, 09:18:34 AM »
Many aircraft that we fly in AH did not have ammo counters, aileron/rudder trim, autopilot, automatic mixture/pitch, automatic radiator/cowl flaps, etc.  There was a lot more work to do in managing the aircraft's systems on top of flying.

Indeed. My squad leader kind of laughed at me when I asked if I needed to set pitch and rad flap.

Even now, here in the auto industry, we're just transitioning over to an automatic grill shutter as an FE action. Why? Clearly, you need to present less area to freestream as speeds increase and the rad is a pretty substantial chunk of your drag.

So it was with WWII fighters - they'd choke down that airflow over the rad as ambient freestream temps decreased and as speed increased. Of course, it's not quite the same because they also had decreasing density and that impacts the heat transfer.

Anyway, we've got automated systems in AHII that make it look like they had PCBs in WWII. I've acquired a lot of respect for those guys the flew and lived through the war.

Also, it looks as though, per FW189 and AR240 (and I think the D-9 had some attempt at this) there were some novel approaches to automating either of these tasks - all sans electronics, of course.

As for the Yak 3,  :aok MORE IS MORE, therefore BETTER, or as Stalin said, quantity has a quality all it's own.

Warbirds has a Yak-3.

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Re: Yak3
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2009, 05:01:14 PM »
Huge balistic difference between most all 20mm's and the .50 cals.


Yeah, balistics might be bad, or they might be great depending on wich cannon the plane has (hispanos are close to 50's IMO) and the russian cannons aren't as good, but a 20mm shell is a 20mm shell, and theres no changing how much explosives it packs by balistics.
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« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2009, 07:13:49 PM »
lol, really? And those 20's are  like 9 .50's in the nose. Thats some REAL hitting power....

I have no idea where i read it.

What we should really have is the yak 9k.

45mm cannon!!!

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« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2009, 08:06:25 PM »
screw that, lets make them 120mm costal defense guns :D....
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« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2009, 08:17:25 PM »
Only if we can put them on our yak.

*cough* photoshop *cough*

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« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2009, 08:45:40 PM »
Fine, I'll get on it...

*cough* with photoshop *cough*


now, is there a free download of photoshop?
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Re: Yak3
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2009, 08:54:26 PM »