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Offline TwinEng

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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2009, 07:17:11 PM »
It is NOT a criminal offense becasue it's using your right to the first amendment.

You forget, though, that he was trespassing on the VFW post's property at that time.   They had already told him to leave their premises earlier.   He had no legal right at that point to even be on their property, let alone steal their flag, and destroy it.   That flag belonged to the VFW also.   So he destroyed their private property.

Whenever the police look at any assault or dispute between two parties, they take a hard look as to who was responsible for PROVOKING the situation.   Yes, what was done to the young man was most likely illegal, but the question is this:  DID HE ASK FOR IT??

Can you honestly say anything other than YES ??

P.S.  --  In disputes like this, police also have a tendency to side against any party that was intoxicated.   The young man's drunken state obviously played a role here in causing the dispute.  People have a responsibility to not get drunk, and turn into obnoxious jerks that cause trouble.

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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2009, 07:22:08 PM »
See Rule #2
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2009, 07:42:05 PM »
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Offline TwinEng

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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2009, 07:48:58 PM »
No but it is an offense to destroy private property. He would still lose in the end.


The other problem that he would also face if he tried to bring a lawsuit is that the same local folks who heaped verbal abuse on him while he was taped to the flagpole, would be the folks in the jury pool.

My feeling about this story is that this dude is probably the disgrace of this little local community.

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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2009, 07:59:12 PM »
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2009, 08:04:05 PM »
is it a criminal offense to burn a national flag in the US?

No, but trespassing, vandalism, theft, and destruction of property are all crimes.

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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2009, 08:05:31 PM »
Golfer,wow. :rolleyes:
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2009, 08:06:36 PM »
Wrong tree to pee on sir. I take it you don't have much respect for any of us that have served and fought for that flag?  Just remember, that right to burn your nations flag was paid for by a long list of others.

btw <S> again Ranger, isnt this the second time this has happened lately?  :rolleyes:





For what it's worth I'm referring to Flag Disposals performed as a Boy Scout once upon a time.  I think you'll find my respect is unwavering and in abundance.  

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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2009, 08:09:51 PM »
Bring it.
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2009, 08:10:22 PM »
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2009, 08:23:59 PM »
Man, what a dirtbag that guy is...I'm glad the VFW guys did what they did, I wouldn't have been so nice.

And, I've "burned flags" as well, but with my AFJROTC unit, with our local VFW guys helping out.  Flag Retirement Ceremonies are an awesome sight to see, but something that many people are unfamiliar with and have the wrong ideas about.  It's too bad, considering they're so important to flag etiquette and done with the utmost respect for that flag.

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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2009, 08:25:14 PM »
as I said earlier I think he got exactly what he deserved

however...... nowhere does it say that he was asked to leave it says he was refused service at the bar because he was drunk........ he immediatley went outside and burned the flag....... legally he could face a misdemeanor for destruction of private property....... pay a small fine and get some probation

the post members however hunted for the guy for 2 days (conspiracy to commit kidnapping)...... took the guy (kidnapping).... duct taped him to the flagpole (assault) and left him for 6 hours........ if he decided to press charges....... these post members would face many years in prison on felony charges...... which they have openly admitted to committing

they should just hope the kid learned his lesson and swallows his pride

as for the Boy Scouts.... I also took part in many burning ceremonies.... a very honored tradition
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2009, 08:26:08 PM »
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2009, 08:33:58 PM »
btw, my scout troops always buried our worn out flags.

theres nothing wrong with burial either......

US CODE states:

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

as long as its dignified
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Re: Veterans Hunt Down and Humiliate US Flag Burner in New York
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2009, 09:42:08 PM »
I thought when you burn a flag you have to cut it into its pieces?
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