best way to fight a bully

[DREDIOCK]

There is one big problem with thier last suggestion to run, what about the fat kids that are being bullied? They are not gonna get far.

They could of course curl up in a ball and bounce away.

Then even if the bully catches him he'll be laughing too hard to do any real damage 

[Jayhawk]

I'm currently in TaeKwonDo and it definitely has it's advantages.  I should point out I didn't solely take this class as self-defense, it's through my university so it was also an opportunity to get involved with a group and do some physical activity.  To advance belts you have to demonstrate understanding of general techniques, a form, and self defense techniques.  The self defense techniques are good except we really practice them at about 3/4 speed so judges can see what's going on, and of course it is non-contact.  However mixing that with contact sparring that begins a few belts in, you will speed up your body and your moves.  Higher belts practice self-defense with gun or knife wielding attackers.  I'll feel better about handling myself if I end up in a conflict but I'm not sure about the gun moves, you would have to be very very confident that you're faster than the bad guy, and he's got to be real close, which would be rather stupid of him. Of course I've got the sidearm I try to carry with me as much as I can but I'd rather have as many tools at my disposal (including my body) to keep myself and those around me safe.

[stroker71]

If its a fight, fight to win. groin as good as place as any to get the job done.


To an above poster: I took hapkido for several years and i'm sorry to say that I found it quite lacking in a lot of areas. Reality being one of them.

Hapkido is a mix of karate and judo. The problem I found with hapkido was that it focuses quite a bit on kicks and other forms of attack that mess your balance and in a fight, especially when you're in true danger, thats something that you dont want to happen. That is why if you go to your kid's practices and watch the black belts or brown belts you'll notice they fight keeping their distance and its only when they end up grappling that they get close.

You either had a bad teacher or took a watered down Hapkido type class.  Pure Hapkido has very little to do with kicks. It has more to do with pressure points, leverage, and disabling the bad guy ASAP!  I took TaeKwonDO and it was a very showy kind of martial art but was very impressed with Hapkido.  One thing I never liked about grappling type arts is in a fight it's rarely 1v1.  While you have one guy tied up on the floor you have 2 other stomping your head!

DuHasst

[mechanic]

I always thought Maui Thai was a cool martial art. Mostly due to Tony Jaa and his oar sum ness.


"WHERE IS MY ELEPHANT?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJ5s6CKmog


just....ouch...

[Chalenge]

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3/4 speed? That would fail you when I was 'studying.' My 'sensai' wanted to hear the cuff of your gi snap with every motion. Speed was everything and the first technique involved eight different hits and you had three seconds to execute them or you failed.

[OOZ662]

Seems like in today's world, the best way to fight a bully is with a shotgun, since he'll invariably have either a knife or a pistol.

[Jayhawk]

3/4 speed? That would fail you when I was 'studying.' My 'sensai' wanted to hear the cuff of your gi snap with every motion. Speed was everything and the first technique involved eight different hits and you had three seconds to execute them or you failed.

Yeah, you have to remember this is a credit course and it has to be reasonably do-able by most people.  Certain things just aren't for certain people but you can't really give them a bad grade if they put good effort into it.  I'm involved in a "sunday club" which is voluntary and doesn't count towards the class where we go faster and harder than the in class portion.

**I need to modify this before people start shouting out stuff about still failing if you didn't know how do calculus, they can't pass you for effort in that, why should they do it other places!  Well I guess I can't say too much other than this class isn't as serious as curriculum classes.  Some students may not promote to higher belts because they aren't very good at the techniques and it will effect their grade.  However if they are trying, showing up for class, giving it effort, you can't fail them for physical shortcomings.**

[Tac]

You either had a bad teacher or took a watered down Hapkido type class.  Pure Hapkido has very little to do with kicks. It has more to do with pressure points, leverage, and disabling the bad guy ASAP!  I took TaeKwonDO and it was a very showy kind of martial art but was very impressed with Hapkido.  One thing I never liked about grappling type arts is in a fight it's rarely 1v1.  While you have one guy tied up on the floor you have 2 other stomping your head!

DuHasst

he was a japanese dude high level black belt (4th dan i think....was long ago). The pressure points, leverage and disablng asap is all from judo. when i switched to judo i had to learn the same stuff but a lot more precise and effecient versions of them. kicks and punches in judo usually are used to feint and make the other guy move/lose balance /make a move so you can use that move against him. its real fun too

its true theres no 'best ' martial art.. all im saying is i found judo a heck of a lot more applicable to a modern situation than others which still base their forms and purpose as if you were fighting someone attacking you with a long blade in formal combat or tournament.

[Chalenge]

I found the best martial art is not fighting at all. I went through studying for years and finally the injuries were coming more frequent and taking longer to heal. Its similar to AH in a lot of ways really... stick to what you know well and play to your strengths and 'his' weaknesses. Always follow through once you start an attack and if you use a high level technique make sure no one sees it. 

 

[Nilsen]

For what it's worth, Akido is really good for self defense.  The centering exercises are great for balance under pressure and the techniques don't rely on a strength or agility advantage over the opponent.

In one demo of an Akido exercise, I ended up holding my roommate off the ground with a straight extended arm.  That was approx 140 lbs held straight out at arms length, him hanging on my wrist and lifting his feet off the floor for 10 seconds.  It was a damn effective exercise on focusing your strength, but at a cost... I pulled almost every muscle in my body, right arm, and left side of my neck doing that, but didn't feel a thing until the next day.  Ouch.

The USAF Academy self defense instructor taught primarily from Akido techniques, with a hefty dose of common sense mixed in with a touch of judo and boxing.  Good stuff, haven't had to use it fortunately.  Probably not much good in combat either, just supposed to help avoid beatings.

I did a variant of Aikido for over 13 years and i would have to agree. It is a style though that requires one to stick with it for awhile before it becomes effective in real life. You learn alot of moves pretty quick but it needs repetition (muscle learning directly translated. dunno what you call it) like most martial arts. I usually advice people who needs to learn self defence to take Krav Maga lessons as it is more effective with less training. Its not as interesting in the long run though.

[redman555]

I did 11 years of Jiu Jitsu, bok fu, and Taekwondo, had black belt but took to much time needed to put into it


-BigBOBCH

[indy007]

There is one big problem with thier last suggestion to run, what about the fat kids that are being bullied? They are not gonna get far.

Send the butter ball to Judo or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu until he's old enough for proper MMA classes.

[CAP1]

holy necromonger batman!

thought this thread died.


anyway.....very simple.

punch him in the nose......the nose breaks easily.....will cause tearing, and give you enough head start.
kick him in the nads.....another good head start.

there is no such thing as a fight where you don't get hurt, so it's best to eff him up a little, and get the hell outta dodge.
 more than likely, he'll not bother ya again.

[Simba]

"Of course if your a crossdresser who happens to be a martial arts expert the bullies are in for a bad time."

Too right. Too many years ago, I walked round the corner of the pub just in time to see a rather large fellow slam backwards up against the wall and then slide unconscious to the deck. Seems he and a few companions had taken a dislike to the music played by Brian the resident DJ, who had dressed in drag that night for a giggle. Bad move. Brian was the UK ABA light-middleweight boxing champion at the time and he clobbered all four of the silly sods. I'd just seen the last of them go down.

The vid reminds me a bit of 'Duck and Cover': a morale-booster for the kids but rather ineffectual in reality.

  

[OOZ662]

"Of course if your a crossdresser who happens to be a martial arts expert the bullies are in for a bad time."

Too right. Too many years ago, I walked round the corner of the pub just in time to see a rather large fellow slam backwards up against the wall and then slide unconscious to the deck. Seems he and a few companions had taken a dislike to the music played by Brian the resident DJ, who had dressed in drag that night for a giggle. Bad move. Brian was the UK ABA light-middleweight boxing champion at the time and he clobbered all four of the silly sods. I'd just seen the last of them go down.

The vid reminds me a bit of 'Duck and Cover': a morale-booster for the kids but rather ineffectual in reality.

   

Have you seen the footage I think they were referring to? There's a cut-down version of it in this parody video. There's a link to the original in the sidebar somewhere. Hilarious stuff.