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Offline Widewing

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2009, 11:47:53 PM »
I think some will find it fun and new.

I voted for the Korea war plane set and arena.  Here are just a short list.

Just a thought and my 2 cents from a paying customer.  :salute

Korean War

(CV = Aircraft Carrier supported)

U.S. aircraft
F9F Panther - jet - CV
F80 - jet
F84 - jet
F86 - jet
F-94 Starfire - jet
F2H Banshee - jet - CV

F-82 Twin Mustang
F4U's - FG -1 Corsair - CV
F7F - Tigercat
F8F - Bearcat - CV
A-1 Skyraider - CV
P47D's thru N models
P-51 Mustang
T-6 Texan

PB4Y-2 Privateer
P-2 Neptune
B-29
A-26 Invader
C-124 Globemaster II
C-119 Flying Boxcar


Helicopters
Sikorsky H-19
Sikorsky H-5
Westland Dragonfly
OH-23 Raven



Britain
Gloster Meteor - jet
Super marine Spitfire - CV
Hawker Sea Fury - CV

Chinese / Russian / North Korean
Ilyushin IL-10
Yak 3
Yak 15 - jet
La-11
LA 160 - jet
Mig9 - jet
Mig15 - jet
Mig 17 - jet

No F8Fs saw combat in Korea.
No P-47s saw combat in Korea.
None of the F4U-1 series saw combat in Korea.
No MiG-17s saw combat in Korea.
Plus, you left out a few aircraft that did...


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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2009, 12:38:55 AM »
yes,p47n's did see action in korea in the very begining,along with p51s which were changed to f51s and f4us.
they were used for ground support,dive bombing vehicles,straffing troops

but im with everyone else,jet on jet plane set would be long and boring,you think the mustang is runner.
i could see it now,chasing mig-15s for 3 sectors just to have em ack hug,no thanks.


Actually, you're dead wrong...  No P-47's saw action in Korea..  I'd really like to see where you got this info from....

P-51, F-51: semantics.... :lol   

Anyhow, while it is widely agreed that the Jug would've probably been the better choice for the Mustang's role, P-51's were
apparently more abundant....
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2009, 02:10:23 AM »
Mace I fully understand what you are saying here, and I'm in no position to disagree with your points.  However let me ask you the the following -- Are 262 vs 262 fights in any way enjoyable to you? Cause to me it's like watching paint dry.  Give me a couple jugs or 109s any day of the week. 
Have you ever been in a KOTH 262 round? Like Mace says its still alot alike just with some differences which would make it fun, maybe even better....I have fought 262s 1v1 and it was much difference just the distance from which your opponent was from you seemed to be increased. I waited for my opponents to bleed E to get a shot then once they did I would dump E in a reverse to get the over shoot. Its really not different at all with any other aircraft going against similar aircraft
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2009, 02:24:03 AM »
Mace2004,

You didn't understand what I wrote.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2009, 03:39:18 AM »
Mace2004,

You didn't understand what I wrote.
I understand exactly what you wrote.  If what you wrote is not what you meant then you need to clairify yourself because what you wrote is incorrect.  "Classic tactics" are completely relevant to jet tactics except where development of the weapon systems has expanded the envelope.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2009, 05:35:45 AM »

Actually, you're dead wrong...  No P-47's saw action in Korea..  I'd really like to see where you got this info from....

P-51, F-51: semantics.... :lol  

Anyhow, while it is widely agreed that the Jug would've probably been the better choice for the Mustang's role, P-51's were
apparently more abundant....

read a book now and then,Battle Hymn by Col. Dean E. Hess USAF retired who started out flyin 47s late ww2 and who went on to korea and at the very start was in 47s training korean pilots in the 47s til the f51s came along,and yes they were used in combat to hit ground targets.
he was also the person,along with the guys in his outfit, who got Operation Kiddy Kar started,taking orphans and getting them away from combat areas and raising funds to get them the things they needed to survive.
and btw the p51 name was changed to the f51

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2009, 09:42:03 AM »
No F8Fs saw combat in Korea.
No P-47s saw combat in Korea.
None of the F4U-1 series saw combat in Korea.
No MiG-17s saw combat in Korea.
Plus, you left out a few aircraft that did...


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The Mig17 made production in 1951 -52 ....correct.... was not introduce in mass quantities to the Korean war.

I am sorry I put up F4U-1 ...maybe should of referenced to F4U-4 / -5

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2009, 09:51:41 AM »
UGH no more distractions from the WW II plan/vehicle set please....
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2009, 09:56:34 AM »
I understand exactly what you wrote.  If what you wrote is not what you meant then you need to clairify yourself because what you wrote is incorrect.  "Classic tactics" are completely relevant to jet tactics except where development of the weapon systems has expanded the envelope.
And I didn't say otherwise.  I said they were much harder to apply as the aircraft had much better thrust to weight ratios.  I didn't claim the idiotic strawman you built of 1 to 1 thrust/weight ratios.   It takes more time to come back around to the target (fact) and the target rebuilds his energy faster (fact) than in WWII piston engined fighters.  The airframes may have been able to come around just as fast as Spitfires and Zeros, I don't know, but at those speeds the pilots could not come around that fast.

So what you have is a environment in which there are only two competitive fighters and defense is vastly easier in relation to offense if you know your opponent is there.

Most kills would be ambush kills.


Korea is a poor environment for a MMO fight sim.  WWI and WWII both offer far better balance with multiple units being effective and players being able to have a shot at learning by trial and error.  WWII also offers aircraft that are capable of applying all classic tactics.
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2009, 10:45:20 AM »
I'm with Yeager on this.

Just because a few need some metamuxel in their diets doesn't mean
there 's no interest in  the current player base or outside of it.

Fortunately HTC is going to do what they want to and WWI aircraft
are coming in spite of the whining, spamming tantrums of a couple of
posters.   Some day perhaps there'll be a Korean era offering.

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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2009, 02:09:28 PM »
I would hardly be in the MA if there was a jet arena
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2009, 03:39:26 PM »
None of you remember the Korean War Jet Night we did in the MA?  :noid




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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2009, 03:41:39 PM »
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2009, 03:46:53 PM »
jets..... :yawn:
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Re: Korea War - Plane set - New Arena?
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2009, 06:23:00 PM »

"Korean War Jet Night ....?"

my side split.  That's brutal.  


 
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