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Offline Dawger

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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2009, 09:55:36 PM »
Every airplane available in an RPS is available any time anyone wants to fly it in AH.

Anyone can have their RPS any day of the week. They just can't force other folks to fly crap they don't wanna fly.

That is all RPS was, a way to force people to do play their way.


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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2009, 05:37:37 AM »
Every airplane available in an RPS is available any time anyone wants to fly it in AH.

Anyone can have their RPS any day of the week. They just can't force other folks to fly crap they don't wanna fly.

That is all RPS was, a way to force people to do play their way.



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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2009, 05:38:33 AM »
Never mind, was going to bust your chops a bit, but rather wait for a better subject, like NOE's or Mega Squads.  Till Later.      :D

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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2009, 05:59:57 AM »
Every airplane available in an RPS is available any time anyone wants to fly it in AH.

Anyone can have their RPS any day of the week. They just can't force other folks to fly crap they don't wanna fly.

That is all RPS was, a way to force people to do play their way.

Having no other viable arena except for the everything-available main arena makes the early war aircraft unviable, which is to say that it forces people into the late war rides except for a few opportunities during scenarios.  I can use your argument in either direction, so use it at your own peril.

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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2009, 07:49:29 AM »
What's RPS?
Anaxogoras is being sarcastic. Hope y'all caught that.
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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2009, 07:52:34 AM »
Apples and Oranges guys.

Warbirds had the RPS, it also had 2$ per hour.
So you'd wait for that part of the month when your fav ride appeared. Fly like crazy for a few days.
Then when the next uber ride appeared you'd give it up. Go fly H2H or do something else till your part of the month rolled around again.

Since most of us were on limited budgets it didn't work that bad. Old hands who were good in 3 or 4 planes could actually fly most of the month if they could afford the bill.

Now AH comes into the picture, flat rate priceing, no more 2$ a month.
And guess what, no more RPS.
Why? Because anything that takes choices away from customers long term = less customers.

Even after WB matched AH price point, it was RPS vs anyplane anytime you wanted.
Who's still flying WB? And look at all the people in AH.
They all voted with their feet folks.

We will never see a true RPS in AH, why would you possibly want to go back to those horrid days.

Even assuming you could get any 10 people to agree on release dates for each Aircraft, which they never would. Your still denying CHOICE from paying customers.

Yes we tolerated it in WB, until someone showed us a better way.
At which point we dumped it like a bad habit.

If your still dreaming about RPS your stuck in the past.
Get over it.

Those days are gone, your not going to see 109's ruling the skys with no P51's to chase them down.
It just is NOT going to happen.

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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2009, 08:15:04 AM »
If your still dreaming about RPS your stuck in the past.
Get over it.

Those days are gone, your not going to see 109's ruling the skys with no P51's to chase them down.
It just is NOT going to happen.


Am I missing something?  We have what amounts to an RPS now.  If you like Gavagai's idea of having all period planes available without an Axis v. Allies distinction, you get that in EW and MW.  If you want the historic Axis v. Allies in different periods, you have that, too in the Axis v Allies arena (in fact, we've several times run an actual AvA RPS spanning the entire ETO war....takes about six weeks).  Anyone is free to take advantage of these opportunities.  If people aren't doing that, then issues other than an RPS are more important to them.  I suspect that the three biggest reasons, in order of importance, are (1) desire to be in the arena with the most numbers; (2) desire to fly with squad mates; and (3) desire to fly a particular aircraft.

It's up to the people who want to have better RPS play to encourage others to change those priorities.  Forcing the change by simply imposing an RPS on everyone strikes me as counterproductive.

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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2009, 09:27:20 AM »

Am I missing something?  We have what amounts to an RPS now.  If you like Gavagai's idea of having all period planes available without an Axis v. Allies distinction, you get that in EW and MW.  If you want the historic Axis v. Allies in different periods, you have that, too in the Axis v Allies arena (in fact, we've several times run an actual AvA RPS spanning the entire ETO war....takes about six weeks).  Anyone is free to take advantage of these opportunities.  If people aren't doing that, then issues other than an RPS are more important to them.  I suspect that the three biggest reasons, in order of importance, are (1) desire to be in the arena with the most numbers; (2) desire to fly with squad mates; and (3) desire to fly a particular aircraft.

It's up to the people who want to have better RPS play to encourage others to change those priorities.  Forcing the change by simply imposing an RPS on everyone strikes me as counterproductive.

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Hi Oldman,

The EW, MW, and LW arenas are only a very rough version of an RPS.  The original RPS started with the 1940 planeset, and would add aircraft each day going through the months of each year.  Our EW arena already has the 109F-4, Spit IX, etc.  The closest thing to an RPS in AH is the AvA, and even that does not have the effect of the original RPS, which was to see combat tactics evolve and change on a daily basis.
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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2009, 12:19:20 AM »
... anything that takes choices away from customers long term = less customers.

True.  Apply that logic just a little further.

If your still dreaming about RPS your stuck in the past.
Get over it.

Why so hostile?  After all, I'm just a customer with a preference.

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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2009, 05:29:37 AM »
Not Hostile. Very simple, your a customer who wants it back the bad old way it used to be.

Sorry but we like it the way it is. Nuff said.

If you want an RPS then get involved in the AvA, thats your best bet.
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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2009, 06:27:40 AM »
Sorry but we like it the way it is. Nuff said.

Who is we?  I am part of "we" because I am also a customer, along with others who also like an RPS.  Therefore "we like it the way it is," is false.  True would be "we disagree about it."

I do love the bullying tone that the anti-RPS people feel it's necessary to adopt.  No one should be against an RPS arena alongside a free-for-all arena.  After all, it's about choice, right?  I don't think an experiment like that has been done.  It was either forcing the non-RPS people into an RPS-arena, or forcing RPS people into the free-for-all arena.
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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2009, 08:06:45 AM »
Right Anaxogoras,

Having and RPS arena as an alternative to what is already there takes nothing away from anyone.

Ghosth, "We" disagree.  But only "you" feel it necessary to try and end discussion.

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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2009, 09:48:47 AM »
Sorry but I beg to disagree sir.

Hitech has clearly said that he will never bring RPS to AH.

Who am I to argue?

At the end of this whole thread there are what, 2 of you that want it badly enough to try to stand up for it?
What does that tell you?

Either way I'm out of there, I just replied last time because you accused me of being hostile.
Now your accusing me of wanting to end the discussion.
Wrong on both counts.
But, have it your way, if you like.




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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2009, 10:02:27 AM »
Having and RPS arena as an alternative to what is already there takes nothing away from anyone.
Pardon my disorientation as I am in agreement with both Bronk and Ack Ack on this point: Anything that limits choice in airframes for everyone is bad.

Putting an RPS arena out there would likely result in another under utilized arena.  To contradict my own argument, FSO's and Snapshots provide restricted plane sets and are very popular. 

Still, restriction of choice is usually bad.
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Re: Rolling plane set
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2009, 10:47:16 AM »
As much as I enjoy Aces High after years of Warbirds, the most fun I had flying was the old WB WWII arena with RPS, and no in flight radar. Would have a guy in twr calling out con locations, nothing has ever come close to that since.