Badly beaten in a turn....

[Mace2004]

What Boomerlu said.

This is one of the main reasons for the forum.  To discuss and learn.  Much better to carry on a discussion here and learn from others than to try to do it all on your own, lots of those guys are the ones calling others cheats just because they don't understand how something happened themselves.  You'll become an old hand at this much quicker by learning some theory about how things work the way they do.  Don't forget to visit the TA as often as you have time.  I can't guarantee there will always be an official trainer but there are many there that love to work with others just as you find here.

Mace

[Noah17]

Gentleman,

Next time we meet at the O club, drinks are on me!

 

[TequilaChaser]

Mace and, Anaxogoras that is really great stuff!

agreed, both have posted some good replies , I was going to chime in earlier, but Mace posted such a great reply, I felt no need to clog the thread up.......

There have been other times where I've had someone on my tail about 800 or so out but I had more altitude to work with. I'd go in to a gradual nose down turn to pick up speed (this is if I could out run my opponent) and make it a little more difficult for them to lead me to get the shot. This time I had no altitude...and even if I did I was facing the same type of aircraft.

Try not to get into the mental thought of having to need 1,000's of feet of altitude to be able to maneuver, also I think you meant in the parentheses if you could "NOT" Outrun your opponent?  even if your just a 1,000ft or so off the deck, you still have the ability to use the alt you have, to your benefit...... and you may have been in the same type of aircraft, they but each different model of the F4U series have differences in speed, climb, turnrate and agility...... learn those differences, so you know when and where you can capitalize on them.....

Although I have considered others crossing the circle to shoot me I always thought of it in the vertical (zooming) not pulling too hard but I guess it's all the same, there is no difference. Separation is separation....

in it's most basic form, yes, Separation is separation........but to break it down in to something that might help you understand it better, your total separation is summed up by the following 3:
Horizontal - Vertical - Lateral............ This is what gets a lot of the flier's, they have a hard time visualizing it mentally in "3 Dimensional view", when playing in game with "2 D graphics"......hope that makes a bit of understandable sense...... Geometry plays a very big part of the combat picture when working with angles....

My name's been showing up maybe a little too much on the BBS. I don't want to wear out my welcome.
 

Your questions and seeking for knowledge to better your gameplay ( which in return makes it better for everyone else ) will never cause you to wear out your welcome in this forum 


I hope my Lil bit of text helps you 

[The Fugitive]

Mace covers it pretty well. Murdr had a film posted of him doing the move Mace is talking about while in his 38. As the bogie closes he turns to one side nose low. As the bogie closes he tightens the turn more and more until he's almost in a black out. About the time the bogie tries for a shot he barrel rolls in the opposite direction. This almost always gives him a snap shot as the bogie over shoots. With an aim like Murdrs it usually means a kill for him, for me it means I survived another pass  

You can do this move over and over again. What happens more often than not is the bogie figures he'll get slow so as NOT to over shoot, and then it turns into who can turn and burn better.

[Big Rat]

Noah,

I found that if you are given 1500ft, all options are still on the table with a hog (unless your doing something like 500mph ).  Some great advice has already been given here.  I'll just add a little to it.   One piece of advice I always give any pilot that comes to me for help with defence is to stay out of the enemy's view as much as possible.  Anytime you can be maneuvering under their nose is to your benefit.  So when you see that gun solution on you about to happen, try to make them push their nose over.  This makes a much harder shot for them.  At 1500 ft and 300mph you can still split S a hog, albeit throttle off and get ready to use your flaps real quick, so even this option is on the table.  Also another hog specific thing you can do in this situation, and this is a last resort one in case you either need to make a real hard turn to survive , or have to make a turn to make a shot in a non high threat environment (eg. 1v1).  If you are over 300mph and you know the other guy has speed on you, and you are in a break turn, but you still see the guy pulling lead and you can't quite get your flaps out to get it to turn any harder.  Cut your throttle and if needed dump your gear just to bleed enough speed to get the flaps out, then immediatly retract the gear once you get that first notch out.  You'll need your stick setup correct to do this real quick.  The bogie hopefully tried to turn with and bled off quite a bit of E and is now in front of you or fighting a stall, if he was smart and didn't try to pull lead in that situation and high yo yo'd (saving his E). you at least hopefully survived for another pass. As I said last ditch effort.   I normally always try to think defence directly into offence.  Break turn into barrel roll defence or split S into barrel roll defence, in either case I'm trying to force an overshoot and get on the guys 6.  If you want to work on defence sometime I'm in the TA normally around 9:00 central time, or send me a PM and we can maybe work out somehting with our schedules.

 
BigRat

[Noah17]

Thanks Big Rat,

I'm going to try and make it to the TA this week. Hopefully it will be on a night your there.

Thanks again
 

[Getback]

Thanks Big Rat,

I'm going to try and make it to the TA this week. Hopefully it will be on a night your there.

Thanks again
 

Yessir, go to the TA. I've been there in recent weeks working on some Basic Flight maneuvers. All these folks gave some great advice. I'm little hesitant on pulling up for the vertical reverse though at that speed. However, I've used it my self.

Morfend told me it's 10 times easier to face an enemy than to get him off your six. As shown in the film you had very little wiggle room. One of the things that Bigrat said makes great sense, staying out of view. Notice that you pulled up slightly. This gave your foe a full picture of you. What you should have done was hit the rudders first. This brings the nose down sharply and then finish your turn with light opposite rudder if necessary (depends on E and angle). Of course you could use the barrel roll, scissors, or the skid brake maneuver.

Another thing is try to get the foe in your high vortex, i.e. straight up or look up key. (Learned that from Morpfend as well). Once you see he's got a shot go the opposite direction.

Review the film from Rocky's seat. You can click on his name in the film viewer.

BTW, really happy you came here instead of verbally attacking the guy.

[CAP1]

i actually tried going to the ta both saturday and sunday.....both times around 8 or 9'ish eastern. found no one in there either time.

[Big Rat]

i actually tried going to the ta both saturday and sunday.....both times around 8 or 9'ish eastern. found no one in there either time.

Sorry guys was on vacation in Texas, just got back yesterday. I'll be a common site in there again now if anyone wants some help from me.

 
BigRat

[CAP1]

Sorry guys was on vacation in Texas, just got back yesterday. I'll be a common site in there again now if anyone wants some help from me.

 
BigRat

you'/ll see me in there.


i need to practice merges, and just saddling up on a con.....then maybe some gunnery.......then avoiding hi cons, so i don't have to waste time climbing to 20k, then.....aaww...hell!! i need work on everythign 'cept for flying straight n level!

 

how was the vacation?

i'm waiting till christmas. it's on a friday this year, so i may get to see my neice on christmas morning. she's 9. since she's been born, she has been the shining light on christmas for me. always fun making it good for kids.