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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2009, 04:27:38 PM »
Angus

Thanks for that.  My house was built 150 years ago and every September we have someone walk along our upstairs landing.  The first time I saw it  was when I was on the PC playing with the bedroom door open.  From my periphery I thought my wife had walked past the door so I starts talking to her.  No answer... so I going looking in bath room and our bedroom...nothing.  I find her down stairs watching TV.  The wife has had the same thing and even thought I was standing in the doorway to the bedroom.  When she rolled over there was nothing there.

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Thanks for reading and the complement.  Got to add they don't use tape here... even today.  They may do in theater but not on the wards while your recuperating.
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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2009, 01:32:46 AM »
Just had a chance to read this LYNX.  I very much, for lack of the right word, enjoyed it. 

My Grandfather, who outside of my father was the best, most honest, caring man I ever knew, had one of those experiences after a heart attack.  He was a very religious man and it changed his outlook on everything.  He didn't talk about it much, but it sounds similar to your experience.  I remember him saying the ministers had it all wrong.  He saw many people who had gone before him including folks he had only barely crossed paths with, but somehow had made a difference.  The one I remember specifically him talking about was the old man who'd lived nearby when grandpa was a kid.  The old man was a bit of a shut in, but my grandfather had helped him with his yard a few times.  The biggest thing that stuck with me was his saying that those who loved us were all around us all the time.  There was comfort in that, and at that point I lost any fear of dying.

Having just passed 4 years since my son and daughter were killed in a car wreck, I keep moving believing I will be with them again some day.  I say that to lead into talking about my wife's experience since the accident.  That night as we raced to the hospital where our daughter was being brought, we already knew our son had died.  It was about an hour drive.  Halfway there my wife stopped suddenly and said "Andy's here!"  She could feel him in her chest.   It was an overwhelmingly powerful feeling for her.  About 15 minutes later, she sat up again.  "Christina's here!"  It was the same feeling and she could distinguish between the two kids.  It was crushing to hear as to me it confirmed we were losing Chris too.  When we got to the hospital, Christina was still technically alive, on a vent, breathing for her, but there was no brain function.  When we took her off the vent, she couldn't breath on her own and we lost her too.  My wife had no way of knowing at that point that we would lose Chris, so that feeling that Chris was with her, was not prompted by anything.  We still had hope Chris would survive.

Since then there have been times where my wife will have one or both of the kids 'visit' her.  She can always tell which one. or even which side Chris or Drew is on. It's like a warm feeling on her cheek and it comforts her.  I can't say it's ever happened to me as much as I wish it would.  Just last night was the first time in a while where my wife all of a sudden stopped and said'  The kids are here!"  There was nothing happening to prompt it, no great saddness at the moment or talk of the kids.  In fact we were playing with our little guy Matthew at the time.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying, is while not being a very religious person, I do believe there is something beyond this life and stories like yours just confirm it for me, which is comforting.  So thanks for sharing it.
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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2009, 03:54:14 AM »
Thank you for this Guppy.
This is very close to what I and more I know have experienced. Very very close. Not sure if I will post it though, may consider some items.
Good thread Lynx.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2009, 04:29:41 AM »
Guppy35 / Dan

Oh man! that was very moving I feel for you and your Mrs mate.  The lose of your kids, at the time, must have been harrowing but as your aware "Time" is a comforter.  By that I mean things get easier to live with.

As you're probable aware I was in hospital recently.  Getting a reversal of me colostomy bag.  Glad I don't have the bloody thing any more.  A discusting humiliating contraption of nothing less than controlled incontinence but an unfortunate by product of life saving surgery back in January.

So there I am on this 4 bedder renal ward.  I'm the youngest (47 yrs old ) chirpy and chuffed that me life is about to be set on track for ... normality.  One of me fellow inmates is behind a curtain the other 2 older guys are subdude.  It transpire the guy behind the curtain is dead.  The guy next to me who has a complexion of nicotine yellow is terminal with pancreatic cancer and liver problems. 

Now I'm starting to get a tad bumbed out.  I got a dead guy and a guy that's gonna be.  What do you say to a guy like that in his position.   Over a couple of days one builds up a certain friendship, camaraderie with fellow patience.  Being a former car salesman I steered my yellow friend into a private conversation.  I related my story to him.  I had no idea of his reaction but I did it in a way for it (my experience) to be a conversation about me.  A matter of fact type of thing relating to an incident of the past.  I then shut up to.  He draws up a bit closer and says that when his mother was in hospital dieing, some 30 years back.  He was in his bedroom getting dressed to go visit her.  As he's doing his tie up in the mirror he hears his mothers voice saying "no need to rush. I'm not there anymore".  Sure enough when he gets to hospital his mother had passed on.  He then tells me in a much lower voice.  "I've never told a single soul about that". 

In one sense I was pleased that a thing he had held so private, he had shared with a comparative stranger .. me.  I can only hope my experience has helped him in some way with his predicament.

P.S  I'm not a religious person but there is something bigger out there.

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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2009, 05:32:57 AM »
I'll tell you one of the things that happened to me.
Back in 1990-1991 I lived in a small room in my grandmother's house. My granfather was dead, and she, born in 1911, had me as a house "guest" for several years.
Anyway, she used to go on visits to her sisters in the capital etc, so I was often alone in the house. But not alone, since there was something there.
It was a very small house, basement and top floor, the floor being of wood. There was an entrance on both floors, at the same place, so that the entrance downstairs where I lived was ybder the stairs up, and they were joined with a steep wooden stairway (similar as in a ship) on the inside.
The house, being built in 1936 was as so many houses of that era, build of all sorts of scrap, - it was after all, short ways from the great depression, and material was scarce. And that means a small house (20 by 20 feet) and thin boards. Creaky floors, - I could always hear from below where in the house my grandma was, and which shoes she was wearing.
Anyway, I started observing that there was somebody walking upstairs. I would have guessed a heavy male wearing no shoes. The walking was from the living room into the kitchen, or from one living room to another.
At first I was startled and jumped upstairs, and there was nothing there. There was no chance of getting out, since the stairs left me straight at the entrance, and the door was locked, and a noisy one too.
There was an odd feeling about this, since I felt no hostility. (oh, I had some taste of worse "things"). So, I sort of got used to this "walking". The "walking also increased, and was at times a daily event.
One fine day, I had just arrived and was standing below the stairs, when the "walker" walked from the living room into the kitchen. I sneaked on to the lower platform of the stairs and grabbed the handrail, and I heard the "walker" again in the kitchen. So, in one leap, I hurled myself upwards, it was perhaps two seconds before I was loking into the kitchen, blocking the out-door with my back (in my position I could see them from where I started my jump thereby eliminating any physical exit). All fell silent. There was nothing there. No catch for me ;)
Anyway, I got used to this, so I didn't really bother. That can not be said about other people. My dad used to come and stay with me, and he was startled at first, then got used to it. I used to have workers, and they shared the room with me, one of them got quite used to this ,but then there was one, who got quite uncomfortable about this.
He was a Danishman, a rationally thinking vetrenary student, and one of the best persons I ever employed. Being quite disciplined, he would always get out of bed an hour before the job, shower and shave and put some entry in his diary.
One fine morning, the "walker" went rattling all over the floor. Quite noisy this time. And the Dane asked me if my grandmother was back. I said "No, it's just the house-ghost". He was baffled with that answer, and after some more rattle, he went upstairs to investigate. When he came back, he was completely pale and in a state of confusion. "I don't get it, the door was locked, and there was no way anyone could have made it out, and the floor is empty". "I told you" I said, "you won't catch this one".
He was always quite puzzled about this, and will probably never forget.
Another worker of mine (who had gotten used to this) had a girlfriend. One rainy night, the girlfriend went to some school party. We decided to find a party for ourselves, and ended up on a farm some couple of miles away. In the meantime, the girlfriend decided to make a short ending on her party, and went to our place.
The place was empty of course, except the "walker" was in a merry mood. She got scared out of her mind, and anticipating where we were, badly dressed, ran through the dark and the rain to the farm where we were!!!
Next day, my worker detected some triumphand footsteps above him.
I never found out more. The house has now been empty since my grandmother passed more than 11 years ago. People in the street have told me there is often someone there, looking out the kitchen window, then disappearing. I am not surprized, but I am always curious who this friend of mine was.
That was just one story, and honestly, this is absolutely true!!!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2009, 08:18:36 PM »
:huh  Someone didn't have their Wheaties this morning.  Constructive criticism is an art lost on the lazy.

To be quite honest, I agree with Indy's assessment here of what is actually happening.   That being said, from a stylistic view I believe it is for the most part well written.  I've got a couple quick suggestions to consider:

1. Due to my previously mentioned belief, I would make the tone more neutral -- particularly the introduction.  Show the reader what happened, but let him/her decide what it all means.  
2. I would have to agree that your interjections of technical equipment and terminology seemed out of place and a little forced.  
3. Try to maintain a consistent voice.  At some points you seem to be writing from the perspective of a 12 year old kid "My right side hurt awful bad " and others you are clearly at an advanced stage "Sirens once again emphasized the drama of the charge, trumpeting me awake from my painless slumber."  I understand the logic of wanting to speak from the voice of each given time, but as a reader (to me at least) it is a bit distracting.  
4. Careful with your tense.  Depending on your target audience for this piece, the amalgamation of present, simple past, and present perfect can be tough to follow at times.  (or stomach, if you are an English nazi :D )  Again this could be a non-issue, assuming different audiences.

As a whole, I enjoyed it even if I have a drastically different view of what you experienced.  It definitely takes some cojones to put it out there in the first place!   :salute
 

Thanks for that.  You made some fair comments and its appreciated.  I'll bear some of that in mind for future writting.

Plawranc and Viperius  Thanks for the complements lads.  :salute

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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2009, 05:09:37 PM »
As you once told me.

"A gambling man will believe in god, because he's got nothing to lose." 

yep....I'll put a fiver on it   lol

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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2009, 05:52:24 AM »
Sorry guys... Geomagnetic fields + sensitive temporal lobe = ghosts.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200302/galvanizing-ghosts
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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2009, 07:00:51 AM »
Sorry guys... Geomagnetic fields + sensitive temporal lobe = ghosts.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200302/galvanizing-ghosts

LOL
you keep believing that...the good part is we will ALL know the truth as we ALL have to pass from this life to the next and the next and the next and the next...until we get it right and by the looks of things.. we have a very long way/time to go.
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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2009, 07:17:32 AM »
I read that report Die Hard, I must say it seems like the kind of thing someone with very unsensitive frontal lobes would write.
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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2009, 07:58:27 AM »
Sorry guys... Geomagnetic fields + sensitive temporal lobe = ghosts.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200302/galvanizing-ghosts

Doesn't explain very clear footsteps less than a yard from several people....
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2009, 12:08:49 PM »
LOL
you keep believing that...the good part is we will ALL know the truth as we ALL have to pass from this life to the next and the next and the next and the next...until we get it right and by the looks of things.. we have a very long way/time to go.
i don't want to come back and do it over, once was hard enough.

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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2009, 12:48:22 PM »
I drowned when I was 4 1/2, I was walking by the side of a swimming pool on holiday and fell in the deep end, the only reason why my parents knew I was under the water, was when a man walked out onto his balcony and saw me at the bottom of the pool motionless. He then shouted down pointing " there's a boy in the pool" my dad looked up saw I was not around ran over and see me at the bottom, dived in and pulled me out.

My only memory of the incident was seeing my arms pointing up to the surface of the water. After that it took about 6 months to get me into a bath or shower. I remember my first bath after the incident as my parents were on holiday in Thailand and I was being looked after by one of my uncles..they ran me a bath and I just hopped. There was a huge celebration after that  :rofl

and then it took me about another 6 months before I would go back into a swimming pool for swimming lessons, but once I learned to swim nothing stopped me, I carried on swimming at the swimming club until I joint the army where I was in the swimming and water polo team. I am a very strong swimming and I have 0 fear of water and my fav activities are water sports.

I have been very close to death, I've been hit by a car when I was 8 and cracked a few ribs, been in a car when it was driven into a river and when I was in Afghanistan we were under rocket/mortar attack daily at some points of the tour.

None of my experiences involved a kind of life after death moments but due to my experiences I certainly do not believe in anything about a purpose to live or fate etc... Just pure luck or unluck, and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2009, 01:02:06 PM »
i don't want to come back and do it over, once was hard enough.

"you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave..."

<--- knows "spirits" - or whatever you choose to call them - frequent and walk near us. I grew up in our old family "homeplace" that my father's great-grandfather had built in the late 1860's not long after returning home from the civil war. My great-grandmother (dad's grandmother and great-great-garanpa's daughter) died in the front room of that house of natural causes when my father was a young man. My dad bought the house from my great uncle in the early '70's and remodelled it, and we grew up there, myself and my two brothers. Every now and then we would hear a person walking around the house, from room to room, when all of us were in the room together. One time the footsteps walked right up to the bed my older brother was in, in the same room of the house where "Grandma Booth" (as we referred to her) had died. He turned on the lamp to find no one there, but he was pretty spooked and couldn't deal with it. He moved out that weekend.

My grandfather, in 1952, died in the house my father grew up in from an accidental discharge of his shotgun after returning from a hunting trip. My dad was 9 at the time, the oldest of 5 kids. When my grandmother passed away a few years ago my younder brother inherited the home and up until about 8 montha ago he and his wife and two sons lived there. Worth, the younger of the two, had his bedroom in the room where Grandpa died. He was about 2 and a half or three years old when he started talking about the man that watched him at night. He told his mom and dad a man sometimes watched him at night, standing at the foot of his bed, smiling. When they asked him to tell him what he looked like, all he ever said was he was tall, he smiled, and wore a green hat.

My brother told my parents about this, and my dad just turned white in the face according to my mom. My dad remembered his father pretty well having been 9 when he passed away, and the first thing he recollected was that his father had always worn a green baseball cap when he drove a fuel truck at work, and always had it on when working around the house. Worth had never been told anything at all about his great grandfather that died 55 or so years ealier, certainly nothing about a hat.


That's all the "proof" I need.
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Re: Life after Death
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2009, 01:09:13 PM »
Doesn't explain very clear footsteps less than a yard from several people....

No it does not. However, there are many unexplainable experiences/phenomenon, but that doesn't mean they're the ghosts of dead people. It's just that we've not figured out what's causing them yet. Just like thunder and lightning is no longer Thor getting snippy with his hammer.
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