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Offline Chalenge

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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2009, 02:35:56 PM »
Other aircraft had the range to fly from Hawaii to NY (about 5,000 miles) in ferry configuration. The VLR Liberator for instance, the long-range version of the Ju 290, the Fw 200 (flew commercially non-stop Berlin-NY in the 1930s with cargo and pax). I'm sure there are others.

Not even close for any of these planes.
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 03:07:06 PM »
"a B-32 name "Hobo Queen" "

Indeed!   there were two B32s called "Hobo Queen" and "Hobo Queen II"



Involved in one of the last air combat actions over Japan:

"...Four B-32s from the 386th BS of the 312th BG based at Yontan, Okinawa were given a three-day photoreconnaissance
mission near the end of the War. On the third day of the mission, August 18, 1945, two aircraft were forced to turn back
and only two aircraft, the Hobo Queen and the Hobo Queen II made it to Japan. The mission involved photographing an
area north and east of Tokyo. The aircraft were unescorted, as the War was over for all practical purposes over.
 As the two aircraft prepared to head home they were jumped by a large group of Japanese fighters including Imperial Navy
A6M2 Zeros and Army Ki44 Tojos. The first attacks occurred at 1:30 PM while the aircraft were at 20,000 feet. The enemy
planes made ten passes on the Hobo Queen II with little or no damage. About twenty-five passes were made at the Hobo
Queen, which was under the command of Lt. John R. Anderson. Seven passes were made at the tail of the B-32 and one of
the attackers blew-up. One fighter pass was made at the ball turret from below with no success, and another six were made
at the forward upper turret. About six more were made at the nose turret position, and several more at the upper rear turret.
Another enemy fighter blew up, and a third was scene going down smoking.
 The pilots went to full mix and full throttle and power-dived the B-32 from 20,000 to 10,000 feet. The Hobo Queen absorbed
a lot of damage during these attacks. The radioman got the Hobo Queen II to regroup with the badly damaged Hobo Queen
to provide some cover. Three men were wounded including Sgt. Anthony J. Marchione, SSgt. Joseph M. Lacharite, and Sgt.
John T. Houston. Marchione and Lacharite were at the camera hatch at the rear of the aircraft when that section of the plane
was riddled. Both men were hit. Despite his own wounds, SSgt. Lacharite began administering first aid to Marchione, but a
second fighter pass wounded Marchione again. Despite the valiant efforts of his crewmates to keep him alive, Marchione
passed away at 2:00PM. Sgt. Marchione may have been the last USAAF combat casualty of the War. SSgt. Chevalier
administered first aid to SSgt. Lacharite during the long ride home.
 Despite being unable to bank his aircraft due a feathered prop, Lt. Anderson got the Hobo Queen down successfully."

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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2009, 03:11:41 PM »
As for the Runways, did the B-29's who were in England post-war use post-war runways? And what about the visiting ones during the war? And were their "footsteps" really that much heavier than of a Lancaster? It's not all about total weight.
Then I cannot but wonder how much range a fully loaded Lancaster would have had with the bomb-load of a B-17.

Angus the empty weight of a B-29 was 74,500 lb. The fully loaded Lanc's weight was 63,000 lb.

Lanc R5868 carried 9 x 1000lb bombs to the Danzig Poland area. About 780 miles. Another time carried 5500lb + TIs to Milan Italy. About 690mi.


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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2009, 04:17:19 PM »
Not even close for any of these planes.

The Ju 290 was modified to fly from Germany to Japan. Some Fw 200's in overload long-range maritime reconnaissance configuration claim to have flown to within visual range of the US east coast and returned to France. A round trip of around 6000 miles. The VLR Liberators of RAF Coastal Command could probably do it; they had an operational range of about 2,000 miles (round trip with reserve and a small payload). In ferry configuration with reduced crew and stripped of weapons I'd bet they could fly the distance. A pre-war Fw 200 airliner probably could do it as well, without passengers or cargo.
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2009, 05:54:16 PM »
I looked all of these planes up today and the longest range aircraft (with additional tanks added) could only manage 4400 miles total.
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2009, 06:11:42 PM »
With reduced crew and no armament?
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2009, 06:21:48 PM »
Im talking about the VLR Liberator. The Condor with a range of 2200 miles could never increase its efficiency three fold. That was always propaganda in fact Boeing engineers debunked it in 1945 proving it was impossible to build a structure of that outline and get even 3500 miles! There simply was not enough room for the fuel.
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2009, 06:39:41 PM »
Yes it was just propaganda when the Lufthansa Fw 200 landed in New York on August 10, 1938, 24 hours and 56 minutes after it took off from Berlin. A flight of nearly 4,000 miles.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1938/1938%20-%202338.html
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2009, 07:12:22 PM »
The airline version is comparing apples to oranges.

(Sorry could not find airliner details)
I did find that the recon version had a maximum range of 3560 km. (2212 mi)

B-29: 9438 gallons Weight: 105000 lbs Range: 5830 miles
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2009, 07:21:21 PM »
Maritime bomber version empty weight: 37,490 lb (Fw 200C-3/U4)

Max take off weight: 50,057 lb

Maritime long range reconnaissance version empty weight: 28,552 lb
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2009, 07:29:22 PM »
The airline version is comparing apples to oranges.

The airline version doesn't count as another aircraft that could have made the flight from Hawaii?
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2009, 10:26:01 PM »
The max range for the Fw200 was with the long range recon C-6 > 5500km/~3400mi.

The distance from NY to the closest point in France is 3400mi. Those Germans must have VERY good eyesight to see well over 1000 miles. :O

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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2009, 10:45:10 PM »
The airline version doesn't count as another aircraft that could have made the flight from Hawaii?

No the distance from Hawaii to New York is 4880 miles.
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2009, 10:49:59 PM »
The max range for the Fw200 was with the long range recon C-6 > 5500km/~3400mi.

The distance from NY to the closest point in France is 3400mi. Those Germans must have VERY good eyesight to see well over 1000 miles. :O

Have you got a reference for that? I cant find that any military Condor ever had that kind of range.
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Re: B-29's in Europe Theatre
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2009, 10:59:05 PM »
Try Kurt Tank's bio by Wolfgang Wagner.