Game is reaching new lows.

[shreck]

I think he is saying when a "vet" see's this type of play he should not get worked up over it, or get pissed cuz some noob is being just that,  but when a "vet" does those same tactics, that is when there is an issue and sadly LOTS of "vets" do this type of "flying".

at least that's what I got out of his reply, I could be wrong and should not assume...

 Again, spot on! 

[Rich46yo]

Meanwhile, back at the cartoon airbase, Clutch Cargo is talking smack about the posters in this thread.

[bmwgs]

After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game.  There is really alot to learn here.  It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know.  It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here.  I don't think that's where I should be starting.  How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too.  I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part.  I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really.  I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights.  I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away.  Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight.  I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that.  With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt.  You see a guy on me jump right in.  If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.

One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here.  It is embarrassing.  I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other.  It is more than ever the "vets" here.  I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine.  As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away.  Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet.  These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.

I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me.  Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.

I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".

Thank you Sirs <S>

Good Post.  With your perspective you should go far in this game.  Hang in there, it will get worse before it gets better.     

Fred

[ink]

Again, spot on! 

 

that's what I thought you were saying.

“Dweebyness” is subjective, and even then, not consistently applied.  I have, at one time or another, done many “dweeby” acts, like HO’ing, dragging to ack, picking, taking out fhs at the “furball” base (sorry again, Snailman), etc.  I have so far managed to not angrily pm and I keep 200 de-tuned.  Most all of us put on our dweeb hats now and then.

hell man 200 is some of the funniest stuff ever, to see how some get so worked up over a game were you don't really die

not only that but some of the nme are great guys and a great convo can happen after a fight.
  every thing you listed is not necessarily dweebish, if it's all someone does then it becomes dweeby tardly lame, ect ect,  
except dropping FH at a good fight, that is ALWAYS lame!!!


INK

[CAP1]

 

that's what I thought you were saying.


hell man 200 is some of the funniest stuff ever, to see how some get so worked up over a game were you don't really die

not only that but some of the nme are great guys and a great convo can happen after a fight.
  every thing you listed is not necessarily dweebish, if it's all someone does then it becomes dweeby tardly lame, ect ect,  
except dropping FH at a good fight, that is ALWAYS lame!!!


INK

200 is a blast when you fly buffs. it's pretty entertaining when you're on climbout.

 the other REALLY fun thing about 200, is when someone accuses you of something on 200, while they themselves are doing exactly what it is they're complaining  about.

 i was accused of running recently, while the person making said accusation, was themselves running.
 
 wasn't the first time that happened, won't be the last.....but it never stops being funny!!

[Anaxogoras]

One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here.  It is embarrassing.  I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other.  It is more than ever the "vets" here.  I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine.

Well said.  The only thing I can compare it to is when I was 14 years old and my buddies and I would constantly rip on each other for no reason at all... but we were 14.

[BnZs]

This thread is not about you John. Your behavior was but one factor in things I have been observing late.

This whole thread cold have been prevented if I had just let him kill me at the beginning.

This whole thread could have been prevented if you had prosecuted a more than fair 1v1 with some semblance of skill OR dignity, win or loose. You are not a noob, you are a relative veteran, and you chose to apply lameness in a systematic manner, seemingly without feeling one hint of shame. You chose to be part of the problem. And don't give me any horsehockey about "choosing to chase you through ack". If you were going to call it a draw and part ways with me, instead of revving on my six the SECOND I turned away from the ack, you are the first AHII pilot to do so.

But you know...I'm actually sorry I said anything to you about it. Not because it is wrong to call a spade a spade, but because nothing is worth letting the failings of others bring negativity into my space.

[toonces3]

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 I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights.  I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away.  Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight.  I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that.  With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt.  You see a guy on me jump right in.  If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.

<snip>

I can only speak for myself Zoney, and I'm not a true "vet" with my 2+ years of experience.

But the truth is, I would rather fight and lose, than "live".  That's not to say I don't try to bring my cartoon butt home, and that's not to say I don't get torqued sometimes when I get killed in a "dweeby" way.  

However, after playing a lot of hours, I've come to realize that the game is a treadmill.  The point (for me) isn't to get somewhere; it's to enjoy my time on the treadmill.

Eventually, you reach a point where you (may) realize that, I can spend a lot of time trying to live, or I can spend a lot of time trying to match skills against another player, seeing if I'm better, seeing what I can learn to be a better cartoon dogfighter.  I don't need perks, I don't need a name in lights.  If I can be a name that people recognize as a "good fight" then that is probably as much as I can, or want, to achieve.

Understand that the most fun in the game, for me, is to pit myself against another player and beat him.  That's it.  I like getting kills, but I don't need them.  

Fly how you want, but realize it's just a game.  I might only have a few hours a week to play; I'm not going to spend my "gaming" time flying around avoiding fights.  I can do that for free offline.

Give it a few years and see if you still feel the same way.
<S>

[Shifty]

This thread sorely needs one more High Horse.

[SKJohn]

This thread is not about you John. Your behavior was but one factor in things I have been observing late.

This whole thread could have been prevented if you had prosecuted a more than fair 1v1 with some semblance of skill OR dignity, win or loose. You are not a noob, you are a relative veteran, and you chose to apply lameness in a systematic manner, seemingly without feeling one hint of shame. You chose to be part of the problem. And don't give me any horsehockey about "choosing to chase you through ack". If you were going to call it a draw and part ways with me, instead of revving on my six the SECOND I turned away from the ack, you are the first AHII pilot to do so.

But you know...I'm actually sorry I said anything to you about it. Not because it is wrong to call a spade a spade, but because nothing is worth letting the failings of others bring negativity into my space.

You know, looking at it from your point of view, I now realize why you got upset and I offer up my most sincere apologies.

As a relative veteran, I'm sorry for my shameless systematic application of lameness.
I apologize for being "PA-thetic" and an "embarrassment to AH."
I'm sorry for being a "eunuch" and having a low K/D percentage.
I regret being a "fornicating piece of fecal matter" who ran away from a fair fight.
And yes, thanks to you, I now realize how bad of a pilot I am who can't even win in a 109-vs-P38 fight.

This being the Christmas season, I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me of my cowardly and dweebish ways.  In the future I shall try to the utmost of my ability to strive to maintain the high standards of behavior expected of Aces High pilots, and to bring no further shame upon either myself, my squad, or the other members of AH.  Thank you for taking the time to read this. . .

SKJohn

[Connery]

There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.

I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.

In all honesty its about self preservation, most people will use every advantage they can to win in any given situation. It's called being smart. Much as I hate to admit it.

[CAP1]

In all honesty its about self preservation, most people will use every advantage they can to win in any given situation. It's called being smart. Much as I hate to admit it.

i could understand the logic......if we were in real airplanes, and our real lives were on the line.


 that said, when i'm in buffs, i DO like to get back home, but i also welcome a fight. 

[Bear76]

What amazes me is that people are still playing a game that is allegedly reaching new lows every month since 1999... 

It's all your fault, everyone knows that

[E25280]

This thread is not about you John. Your behavior was but one factor in things I have been observing late.

This whole thread could have been prevented if you had prosecuted a more than fair 1v1 with some semblance of skill OR dignity, win or loose. You are not a noob, you are a relative veteran, and you chose to apply lameness in a systematic manner, seemingly without feeling one hint of shame. You chose to be part of the problem. And don't give me any horsehockey about "choosing to chase you through ack". If you were going to call it a draw and part ways with me, instead of revving on my six the SECOND I turned away from the ack, you are the first AHII pilot to do so.

But you know...I'm actually sorry I said anything to you about it. Not because it is wrong to call a spade a spade, but because nothing is worth letting the failings of others bring negativity into my space.

Seems to me if you saw him running to the ack, you should have turned around and climbed.  The only problem I see was your poor decision to follow him, and equally poor decision to rant about it afterwards. 

You had won round 1, he was trying to reset the fight. Believe it or not, that's a good way to learn, too. 

Do something on the first merge that didn't work, but have the ability to disengage -- now on the next merge with the same pilot flying the same aircraft, the player can try something different and learn whether that will work better.

Allowing the con on your 6 to simply blow you out of the sky doesn't teach you anything.  Most of us already have that part worked out.  It's everything that leads up to that point that one needs to work on.

[Steve]

most people will use every advantage they can to win in any given situation.

Just about all people in the game will, they just refuse to admit it. The hypocricy is rampant in the game to where it's  laughable. The same guy who calls you a runner or a picker will be picking and running in the same engagement later on.  Of course, his reason for running or picking is noble and just, where your reason is base cowardice.

I find the hypocricy amusing.
Fly a fast plane and disengage when you are about to get ganged and you are a runner/coward. Yet the guy in the yak who calls you a runner won't turn his plane less sharp against your P51; he'll use his planes strengths to defeat you or escape/turn the tables if you are the aggressor.

The other day I was RTB after fighting a horde at their base and I picked a guy along the way. He had been fighting a squaddie of mine who himself got picked a second or two before I performed my "pick". I then got an earful for ganging, even though my victim had been in a horde just minutes ago.  Then he went on to criticize me for flying a 51, even though  I killed him while he was in a K4,  a  more dangerous combat plane.

I really got a good laugh out of the exchange, as did my squaddies.