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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #210 on: December 25, 2009, 12:30:30 PM »
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Steve I think most of us have it worked out that we
1/ Have to fly the way the other guy wants us to.
2/ Only fly the planes that they like.
3/ Do not dare try evasives and make him miss.

If we could all abide by these rules I'm sure it will make for some very happy players and less whining on 200 and the BBS.

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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #211 on: December 25, 2009, 12:52:00 PM »
I don't care if they BnZ, I don't care if they "E" fight, I don't care if they like to turn and burn.

I don't care if they like to bomb crap from high alt, I don't care if they like to dive bomb.

I don't care if the fly spits, I don't care if they fly hogs, I don't care if they fly 190's.

All I want is a fight ! 

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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #212 on: December 25, 2009, 12:57:59 PM »
 With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt.  You see a guy on me jump right in.  If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.
Zoney, when you see someone in a fight, and it's just a 1 on 1 fight, always ask the person if he wants your help before you engage, it's just a respect thing, he might be having a great dog fight going on and if you come in and kill the person he's fighting then most likely he's gonna get really upset with you, your intention may be to save him, but like I said he might not want your help, so always ask first. :aok
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #213 on: December 25, 2009, 01:25:52 PM »
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Steve I think most of us have it worked out that we
1/ Have to fly the way the other guy wants us to.
2/ Only fly the planes that they like.
3/ Do not dare try evasives and make him miss.

If we could all abide by these rules I'm sure it will make for some very happy players and less whining on 200 and the BBS.

hey dude.....did you enjoy the stuff from ziggy just now in mw?

i was almost rollin out of my chair....thankfully i was on auto climb for most of it.  :aok
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #214 on: December 25, 2009, 01:26:46 PM »
Zoney, when you see someone in a fight, and it's just a 1 on 1 fight, always ask the person if he wants your help before you engage, it's just a respect thing, he might be having a great dog fight going on and if you come in and kill the person he's fighting then most likely he's gonna get really upset with you, your intention may be to save him, but like I said he might not want your help, so always ask first. :aok

i might add, it's respect for the green guy, as much as it is for the red guy.  :aok
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #215 on: December 25, 2009, 01:27:23 PM »
Oddly enough, I haven't been HO'd in the mains in months, and I see people here complaining about it. Maybe it's because I don't play AH that much too more?
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #216 on: December 25, 2009, 02:42:44 PM »
Oh my
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #217 on: December 25, 2009, 10:48:24 PM »
Oddly enough, I haven't been HO'd in the mains in months, and I see people here complaining about it. Maybe it's because I don't play AH that much too more?

There are people that will come back and try to HO you right after you kill them. I had one try it today after he came NOE (and I mean dirt level) to our base and tried to zoom to my Tempest in a 190A8. When that didnt work and he died he came back in a light La7 and tried three unsuccesful HO passes before I gave him what he wanted and then wounded with an oil leak and fuel leak he tried to run home.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #218 on: December 25, 2009, 11:41:16 PM »
Oddly enough, I haven't been HO'd in the mains in months, and I see people here complaining about it. Maybe it's because I don't play AH that much too more?

just had a guy in a 190......3 passes he went for ho. he was smart enough to not try to yank it back round. when he finally did lose his alt and e, he egressed, and came back.
 for some reason he seemed to have a hardon for my 38 o doom, as he bypassed 3 other cons for me. i dragged him into ack....then with drkhors's help shot his stoopid arse down.  :devil
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #219 on: December 26, 2009, 05:29:04 AM »
There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.

I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.

I could be seen as a runner than.
Played a couple of months (3) 5 months ago and started again this month.
I'm not a very skilled pilot, I'll give you that on a platter, and I fly the safe way. If I see I can't win, I'm out of the fight.
But if I have to fight, I'll give my best.

Though if a friendly pilot requests help I wont let them hang.
I guess I fly how it should be regarding to me, IRL you ain't gonna call out he's mine, take a hike.
Mostly I fly with a wingman aswell, it's more fun to have a friend who watches you.
There is a thing called the dualing arena for 1 on 1.

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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #220 on: December 26, 2009, 08:23:22 AM »
nor i in my p38 o doom.

what i DO have a problem doing, however, is providing a good fight to my opponent :aok
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #221 on: December 26, 2009, 08:28:10 AM »
I could be seen as a runner than.
Played a couple of months (3) 5 months ago and started again this month.
I'm not a very skilled pilot, I'll give you that on a platter, and I fly the safe way. If I see I can't win, I'm out of the fight.
But if I have to fight, I'll give my best.

Though if a friendly pilot requests help I wont let them hang.
I guess I fly how it should be regarding to me, IRL you ain't gonna call out he's mine, take a hike.
Mostly I fly with a wingman aswell, it's more fun to have a friend who watches you.
There is a thing called the dualing arena for 1 on 1.

Thats my 2cent's.

i don't care how ya fly......hell......i was e-fighting a hellkitty that kept tryin to drag me to ack..till his buddy in a hurri came and tried to pick me. i was low on fuel anyway, so i chose not to have an uber turner tryin to pick at me while i was busy with the kitty. lot of poop on 200 from him.

 now, that said......you say you're not very good. there's only one way to get good though, and that's to get down into it. if ya die doesn't matter....as long as you learned something in that fight.
 you'll find that most will answer questions if you ask nicely too.

 just last night, i had my 38 o doom in what started as a 3 vs4, and it ended up being 3 vs me. i shoulda paid more attention to the other 38, as i found out(the hard way it) was oldman22.....but the other 2 were c-205's....and those c-205 drivers are sneaky bastages.

 anyway, not tryin to tell ya how to fly.....just offerin a different perspective.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #222 on: December 26, 2009, 09:28:26 AM »
After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game.  There is really alot to learn here.  It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know.  It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here.  I don't think that's where I should be starting.  How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too.  I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part.  I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really.  I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights.  I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away.  Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight.  I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that.  With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt.  You see a guy on me jump right in.  If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.

One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here.  It is embarrassing.  I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other.  It is more than ever the "vets" here.  I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine.  As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away.  Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet.  These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.

I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me.  Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.

I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".

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Not the best way to learn IMHO . When I started in june of last year . I looked for guys better then me . I spent  a ton of time in the TA and DA with a dewd named Texture , goes by Bighorn and other names as well . Got beat on like he caught me stealing from his mothers purse . I ask the guys I think are the better pilots to go to the DA and spar . Guys like batfinkv ,creton ,grizz ,moot,Ack Ack , shuffler etc . I only know two things going in I am going to get the crap stomped outta me and I am going to learn . When I am in the MA , I ask for the chance to 1v1 , if I die , I learn . Score don't mean a dang thing in here . Guys like Delirium Corkeyjr Silat Mntman Rolex , will tell you what it means . I dont give a crap about my score , I want to fly and fight like the guys I mentioned ,others I haven't . If I tried to list everyone who has taken time out of what they are doing to help me by answering some questions , telling me where some good info is , or just give me a good 1v1. I would be here for two days . When I am in the MA's , if on opposing sides . I actively hunt them , give a fair fight , and on the GOLDEN occasion I WIN ! Man I have done something ! I have shot everyone of those guys down . So it is 1 time out of 30-50 times tried . I film it all save the good ones after looking them over , watch the color off of them then ask these guys more questions . That in mho is the way to learn . Hang the part of your ego that won't let you get shot down up .Take the lumps and learn . It ain't a learning curve in here it's a learning cliff , at some point  you just gotta leap off that mother . There are some great sticks and great guys in here , the really great ones will help you in any way they can . I mean anyway . When I had been playing for less then 4 months my wife was having her second emergency surgery in a year . I though that the first latin Dr.'s learned was 1.5 % interest monthly= 18% a year but we can compound monthly . I was telling my squaddies it was my last few days for a few months . I had some medical bills I really needed to pay off . Was hoping it might be able to be back in 2 months but was looking like it may be four months . Shuffler paid my subscription for 2 months . When I got them paid off he would not let me repay him . Told me to pay it forward . These guys will help any way they can . I will tell you this they will help you alot quicker if you give me the best fight you can . A <S> from any of they guys I mentioned is way better then landed kills name in lights .Sorry shuff for outing you , but  got to say I will laugh like a maniac if you get besieged by requests to help pay a few months of destittute ne'er=do=well subscriptions .     I predict Lew will be the first one to ask  :rofl For all the Vudaks Soulyss Estes and tons of others that have helped me as well thnx and  :salute For one other guy hardly anyone likes .  :salute to spacey for teaching me how to not get picked all the time .
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #223 on: December 26, 2009, 09:51:12 AM »
Last few times I was in the DA it seemed like just another MA. I kept asking for 1 on 1 fights on the comms and everyone kept furballing and ganging, "I really doubt it was fear of me". I just dont see much difference in the dynamic of the DA compared to the MA.

Maybe Im just not hitting it at the right times.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #224 on: December 26, 2009, 09:52:30 AM »
Last few times I was in the DA it seemed like just another MA. I kept asking for 1 on 1 fights on the comms and everyone kept furballing and ganging, "I really doubt it was fear of me". I just dont see much difference in the dynamic of the DA compared to the MA.

Maybe Im just not hitting it at the right times.
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