Game is reaching new lows.

[CAP1]

this game rocks plain and simple,  its the "players" that are at a new "low" not the game.

every day I fly I see the "dweebyness" of most players, and sad to say its not just "noobs", but screw it I still have a blast, and could give two craps about how someone else flies or what they fly

+1

this game is really the absolute best entertainment one can get for 50 cents a day. 

[shiv]

Like I said, I did go a few turns with him, so yes, I did try.  After awhile, he got behind me and that's when I dove down into the ack.  We were right over my field, so why not use the resources available to survive?

Because when you're fighting another guy near his field you'd prefer him not to run and hide in his ack.  Because you might win anyway.  Because if you lose at least you'll learn what didn't work.

I'll run to ack if more than one guy is trying to kill me but ackrunning from a single con is just rude.

[MutleyBR]

this game is really the absolute best entertainment one can get for 50 cents a day. 

+ 1   

Mutley

[ghi]

There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.

I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.

Another crying baby post. Your ability to find it entertaining reached a new low , the game is the same. If you can't still laugh after getting shot down,Hoed,Picked,vulched better buy a pack of beer, rent a movie for 15$ and stop teaching others how to play.

[dedalos]

 This whole thread cold have been prevented if I had just let him kill me at the beginning.

Or if you turned around and killed him, but that is never an option is it?  For someone new it is fine (i have no clue if you are new or not) but for someone that has been in this game for a couple of years it is sad that they just give up

And I am not saying that he was justified in PMing you or anything like that.

[shreck]

this game rocks plain and simple,  its the "players" that are at a new "low" not the game.

every day I fly I see the "dweebyness" of most players, and sad to say its not just "noobs",

Finally someone has the sack to tell it as it is! I found when I was playing the game, "vet" pilots were the biggest instigators of "poor game play" They and only they have the consistent skill to benefit from lame play! New guys are expected to HO, RUN, GAYNG etc. etc. But new guys will always come up short against experienced gamers!! When you are new you don't consider these things dweebish! You are just tryin to have a little fun. For a newb to continue turning and holding the tigers tail without sufficient experience is totally useless. The newb who does this will never learn anything and be frustrated and just quit! The vet pilots should scroll back to there beginning and please take a REALISTIC assesment of what it was REALLY like!! Stop judging others thru 6, 8 10 years of experience!!

[Shuffler]

Finally someone has the sack to tell it as it is! I found when I was playing the game, "vet" pilots were the biggest instigators of "poor game play" They and only they have the consistent skill to benefit from lame play! New guys are expected to HO, RUN, GAYNG etc. etc. But new guys will always come up short against experienced gamers!! When you are new you don't consider these things dweebish! You are just tryin to have a little fun. For a newb to continue turning and holding the tigers tail without sufficient experience is totally useless. The newb who does this will never learn anything and be frustrated and just quit! The vet pilots should scroll back to there beginning and please take a REALISTIC assesment of what it was REALLY like!! Stop judging others thru 6, 8 10 years of experience!!

So your saying the secret to improving is not to practice?

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So your saying the secret to improving is not to practice?

I think he is saying when a "vet" see's this type of play he should not get worked up over it, or get pissed cuz some noob is being just that,  but when a "vet" does those same tactics, that is when there is an issue and sadly LOTS of "vets" do this type of "flying".

at least that's what I got out of his reply, I could be wrong and should not assume...

[CAP1]

So your saying the secret to improving is not to practice?

pink is the new black. 

[whiteman]

why?

virtually EVERYONE has run to ack at one time or another. if they tell you otherwise, they're lying.

now, that said, when i've done it, i still die a flaming cartoon death. it seems the ack doesn't like to protect me. 

not sure what I said came across as I meant, I should have made it clear i was talking about the OP as described by John. I have, well had no problem people running to ack, if i didn't care that day I'd chase them through it knowing at best I'll be ditching. I'd fly through it also if someone is dumb enough to chase, seeing the whine on was 200 well worth any names called.

[Bronk]

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Quite possible Ive been using the wrong terminology.
I just know the difference in quality of a pilot after the merge. If I have time to regain my E after the first pass  I will get them to a co E state and shoot em down. Well, most of the time.I label these guys BnZers
If however they give me little to no time I usually am on the other end of the stick. These I label E fighters.

[Zoney]

After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game.  There is really alot to learn here.  It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know.  It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here.  I don't think that's where I should be starting.  How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too.  I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part.  I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really.  I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights.  I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away.  Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight.  I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that.  With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt.  You see a guy on me jump right in.  If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.

One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here.  It is embarrassing.  I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other.  It is more than ever the "vets" here.  I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine.  As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away.  Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet.  These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.

I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me.  Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.

I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".

Thank you Sirs <S>

[CAP1]

After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game.  There is really alot to learn here.  It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know.  It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here.  I don't think that's where I should be starting.  How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too.  I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part.  I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really.  I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights.  I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away.  Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight.  I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that.  With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt.  You see a guy on me jump right in.  If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.

One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here.  It is embarrassing.  I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other.  It is more than ever the "vets" here.  I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine.  As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away.  Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet.  These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.

I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me.  Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.

I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".

Thank you Sirs <S>

i always ask before i drop in on someone's fight. no answer, i  come in. if asked to stay out, i do.

when i'm in a fight, if i have time, i ask friendlies to stay out if that's my desire. sometimes i don't have time to get on vox fast enough.
 an example would be a fight i was having 38 vs 38 against shuffler. was a good fun fight. some schmuck(who had earlier continued away from the red guys, 'cause he was alone) came outta nowhere, and waxed him.
 i was losing that fight, but i wanted no help.

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i always ask before i drop in on someone's fight. no answer, i  come in. if asked to stay out, i do.

when i'm in a fight, if i have time, i ask friendlies to stay out if that's my desire. sometimes i don't have time to get on vox fast enough.
 an example would be a fight i was having 38 vs 38 against shuffler. was a good fun fight. some schmuck(who had earlier continued away from the red guys, 'cause he was alone) came outta nowhere, and waxed him.
 i was losing that fight, but i wanted no help.

straight up, I would rather die () then have someone "PICK" the guy of my 6, or any amount of nme's lol I was in a good 3vs1 and someone asked if I wanted help "HELL NO" was my answer besides I was Cheating (using the 16) 



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[RufusLeaking]

Frankly, everytime a clandestine 'vet' comes here and complains how MA "dweebs" and "n00bs" have all ruined the "art of fighting" or whatever abstract bullshi* self-gratifying crap they spew, it can always be summarized in a few key points:

1. "You aren't letting me kill you and it's no fun for me"
2. "You should 'learn to fight' by becoming my cannon fodder"
4. "It's only a game. You trying to survive is lame. You should die on the spot when I attack"
5. "Unlike you, I survive purely with my ph34rD l33t skillz, so those things I say doesn't count for me."

...

Well, good job "dweebs" and "n00bs".
 

He’s been around a while, but this is the first post of his that I remember.  I like this guy.

It's only fun when you have a reasonable chance of winning, and the vets saying, "I enjoy the pure fun of combat" is basically bullshi*.

I think I’m developing a ‘man-crush.’

this game rocks plain and simple,  its the "players" that are at a new "low" not the game.

every day I fly I see the "dweebyness" of most players, and sad to say its not just "noobs", but screw it I still have a blast, and could give two craps about how someone else flies or what they fly

“Dweebyness” is subjective, and even then, not consistently applied.  I have, at one time or another, done many “dweeby” acts, like HO’ing, dragging to ack, picking, taking out fhs at the “furball” base (sorry again, Snailman), etc.  I have so far managed to not angrily pm and I keep 200 de-tuned.  Most all of us put on our dweeb hats now and then.

+1

this game is really the absolute best entertainment one can get for 50 cents a day. 

CAP1 nails the bottom line.  I’ve heard this about golf (among other activities) – “When it’s good, it’s good.  When it’s bad, it’s still pretty good.”

After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game. 

Welcome to the game.  It is HiTech’s game and it is open to anyone with $15/month.  Play the way you want.

I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other. 

Who are these honorable men and why haven’t I met them?