BF-109 G10/U4

[Motherland]

The issue with encyclopedias (or encyclopediae? I think it has some kind of weird plural? w/e) is that they're written by people who don't necessarily have a detailed expertise in a single aircraft line; as a result they're usually correct in a general sense but they get details wrong a lot.
That book is no exception, as it was conveniently available in PDF format with a quick Google search, it became clear that it was susceptible to several myths and legends concerning the 109, particularly the later models.

Curiously the neither non-jettisonable drop tank nor the MK 108 pack is mentioned in Prien and Rodeike's book on the F G and K series, which dedicates about as much paper to the G-10 as that book does the entirety of the 109 series, nor any other book I own on the series, nor any internet source, even Wikipedia, leading me to the position; I'll believe it when I see it.

Perhaps he misinterpreted Ruestsatz 4, two MK108's mounted in underwing gondolas a la Ruestatz 6 (the one we have in game), however this was never used operationally. Not really sure where he got the external tank from, I've never heard of that.

[Anaxogoras]

In response to Motherlands post.

The Irmer Behalter centerline slipper tank was used on the G-10 U4 to greatly extend fuel range. It was fixed to the pylon.

The gunpack option was used extensively, two MK108's fixed in a belly gun pack synchronised with the prop could be loaded onto the G-10 as an option without any extensive modification.

Quote from: Great Aircraft of the World - An illustrated history of military and civil aircraft complete with technical spec's.

I have that book.  I use it as a bookend to support my books that contain accurate information.

[Motherland]

I have that book.  I use it as a bookend to support my books that contain accurate information.

[2ace]

I have that book.  I use it as a bookend to support my books that contain accurate information.

 

[Karnak]

it would be nice to have a G10, or just give us a 20mm loadout for the k4..after all there is loads of varients of spitfire

We also have loads of Bf109s, so saying we have lots of Spitfires is rather misleading as it implies there are few, or only one, Bf109 in AH.  There are many valid arguments to add more Bf109s, but saying there are many Spitfires in AH is not one of them.

Spitfire Mk Ia - Bf109E-4
Spitfire Mk Vb - Bf109F-4
Spitfire Mk IX - Bf109G-2
Spitfire Mk VIII - Bf109G-6
Spitfire Mk XVI - Bf109G-14
Spitfire Mk XIV - Bf109K-4

Seafire Mk IIc - N/A due to lack of German carriers


I would have preferred the Bf109G-14 to have been the /AS version.

[Bronk]

You may have your 109-g10 when I get my  Mk Vc back.

Edit: And I want it with clipped wings this time.

[Saurdaukar]

I'm sorry.. this is just wrong.

The Mk108s could NOT be synchronized...

Oh?  Why not?

[Masherbrum]

Reading "Messerschmitt Bf 109 Recognition Manual - A Guide to Variants, Weapons and Equipment by Marco Fernandez-Sommerau".   The G-10/U4 had two 20mm MG 151 Gondolas.   

Krusty, they could be syncronized.   It's just that the 109's used different VDM gears throughout the Series and they didn't waste money to design more.   The 109 G-10's used the 9-12159-A type Propeller.   

[Krusty]

The Mk108s were not electrically charged, like later MG151/20s, right?

Germans couldn't synchronize unless it was electrically fired, because of the way the gear worked on 109s.

They went through some effort to make a MG151/20 that could be interrupted electrically, for centerline use in 109s, but the ammo was not compatible with normal MG151/20s.

Same for the Mk108s, as far as I know. That's why you only find them outside of prop arcs, be it outboard wings on 190s, outboard gunpods (tested) on 109s, centerlines on 110s, 410s, and other night-fighter-types.

I don't think a single Mk108 anywhere in the war was fired through a prop blade with synchronization. All fired through hubs or outside of the props.

[Masherbrum]

Mk108's were electrically ignited.  They were charged and triggered by compressed air.   The Mk108 was always a Hub/Gondola mounted Cannon.

[Krusty]

Sorry, yes I meant "ignited" -- poor choice of words considering "charged" means something else!

[jdbecks]

Seafire Mk IIc - N/A due to lack of German carriers

They did produce a T version which was a carrier based 109, but it ended up being used from short airstrips when the german navy cancelled the Aircraft carrier project, JG11 Flew them, not sure how many of the 60 were assigned to JG11.

[Karnak]

They did produce a T version which was a carrier based 109, but it ended up being used from short airstrips when the german navy cancelled the Aircraft carrier project, JG11 Flew them, not sure how many of the 60 were assigned to JG11.

I am aware of that, but the Bf109T was basically just a Bf109E, so it really isn't comparable to a Seafire.

[Megalodon]

What is needed is.... gondolas on the F-4! like there used to be

[Masherbrum]

What is needed is.... gondolas on the F-4! like there used to be

Only the Bf 109 F-4/R7 variant had the MG 151/15mm Gondolas.   Dunno what variant we have in the game, but it should be easy to add.