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« on: December 28, 2009, 09:40:47 PM »

ok.....i'm watching the film for the 2nd time right now.

what i noticed in the fight with you vs the 109 was something he seemed to have in common with me. he made his merge turn too soon? and after that, it looked like you had him locked up, just waiting for him to give ya a shot.

 now i'm at our first fight after the 109. on that one, i flew right by ya, and then went up. you weren't even looking as i went by, but rather you seemed to be setting up to turn away from me? i see the end result, but i'm confused as to why? this is about 9:48 in btw. i see that you were able to get right up on my 6, but would that have still happened had i pulled harder, into you?

 now up at 13:16, i can see from your side i made my merge turn waaayyy too soon. from my side, i thought i was just passin ya as i pulled up and to the left. but now, again, i'm confused. i felt i was bordering on pulling too hard when i did that, but you managed to turn inside me, and once that happened, it was only a matter of time till i made a mistake. i know the early turn was the main mistake, and i think that little stall/spin at 13:38 was the final mistake in that fight.

i would've put this in the help and training forum, but i don't know if you'd have caught it there.

thanks dude!
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 08:00:48 AM »
ok.....i'm watching the film for the 2nd time right now.
k, low on coffee still so I ll try to remember lol

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what i noticed in the fight with you vs the 109 was something he seemed to have in common with me. he made his merge turn too soon? and after that, it looked like you had him locked up, just waiting for him to give ya a shot.

Remember I was telling you to be more aggressive and go for angles first.  The 109 was not sure what he wanted to do I think.  He was in a turning plane but he tried to play the e game vs a 38, and then switch it to turning.  Yes, he started his turn too early - good if you have more e and trying to rope - bad in that case.  You have to remember that even if you are faster by 50mph, 50 cals will catch you.  Use your e to get a better angle.

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now i'm at our first fight after the 109. on that one, i flew right by ya, and then went up. you weren't even looking as i went by, but rather you seemed to be setting up to turn away from me? i see the end result, but i'm confused as to why? this is about 9:48 in btw. i see that you were able to get right up on my 6, but would that have still happened had i pulled harder, into you?

I do that when I am slow and need to get some speed.  Make it look like I am trying for a reversal but go straight.  That gives me some distance to get some speed up and slows you down.  You can also do that if have speed and try to turn around right as the bad guy is looping.  You catch him very slow and most of the time you will force the turning.

Would it happen if you pulled harder?  I can't tell, I am at work and don't have the film.  However, I should have lost all those fights so there has to be some mistake you made.  Go back to the being aggressive.  You allowed me to get my speed up and reduce yours.  Had you kept pushing I would have to keep turning and would end up too slow to get out of the way.

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now up at 13:16, i can see from your side i made my merge turn waaayyy too soon. from my side, i thought i was just passin ya as i pulled up and to the left. but now, again, i'm confused. i felt i was bordering on pulling too hard when i did that, but you managed to turn inside me, and once that happened, it was only a matter of time till i made a mistake. i know the early turn was the main mistake, and i think that little stall/spin at 13:38 was the final mistake in that fight.

That is the key.  You turned too early.  I don't know if you can see in the film but right before the merge I hit the breaks.  So, now I have position and can turn tighter.  Your only hope after the merge would have been to go in rolling scissors where you eventually get the advantage since you had more e (assuming no mistakes).  Then again, it was a gamble on my part because if the e differential was too big you would have every advantage.

From my experience, it is good to know your plane and what you can do with it, but the difference in winning these fights is taking advantage of peoples mistakes.  I should have lost most of those, especially the one vs the zero, but some one always makes a mistake.  Help them do that.  Make them think you are fast when you are slow, slow when fast, think they can get a shot, think you are flat turning a 38 and then pull an imel after the second turn, etc and don't give them any time to think.  Once in a fight most will make mistakes.  Look at the fights closely and you will see I screwed up big time vs the 109 and you but you guys gave me too mach time to recover.

Ohhh, and as Bighorn would tell me after killing me (angles first, e second)


 
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Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 09:18:39 AM »
Would you share the film?  I'm sure some of us (especially me) could learn too.   :salute
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 09:28:58 AM »
CAP can you post?  I wont be able too until 10pm or so.

Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 09:30:18 AM »
CAP can you post?  I wont be able too until 10pm or so.



yea.l i'll post it when i sit down for lunch.

mannnn.....this is gonna be embarrassing.
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2009, 09:39:32 AM »
Never be embarrassed. It is competition and your striving to improve.

........ drum roll....... and your having fun!!!


The statement "someone always makes a mistake" is dead on. With a constant ebbing and flowing fight it ends up who makes the fewest mistakes and the best reads. Everyone will make mistakes..... learn to limit your own.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2009, 09:42:24 AM by Shuffler »
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2009, 09:46:13 AM »
Never be embarrassed. It is competition and your striving to improve.

........ drum roll....... and your having fun!!!


The statement "someone always makes a mistake" is dead on. With a constant ebbing and flowing fight it ends up who makes the fewest mistakes and the best reads. Everyone will make mistakes..... learn to limit your own.

yea, well.....i made them way too easy for him. on the last fight, i got too slow, and tried to go with it, figuring he'd HAVE to go out front.

 he stayed right behind me.

 what i'll do also, is to upload my film of the same fights tonight.....but i don't have access to that one till i get home.
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2009, 09:50:37 AM »
yea.l i'll post it when i sit down for lunch.

mannnn.....this is gonna be embarrassing.

Bah, look closely, you will see several mistakes I made and please, do not try to copy anything on shooting. I could could miss the sky sometimes
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2009, 10:04:25 AM »
mannnn.....this is gonna be embarrassing.

Don't be silly Cap.  I've been officiating college basketball for 20+ years and still see mistakes from watching film.  It's a great teaching tool.  Thanks in advance for sharing Gentlemen!   :salute   :aok
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2009, 10:04:35 AM »
I could could miss the sky sometimes

We should start a club  :rofl
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2009, 10:14:31 AM »
Never be embarrassed. It is competition and your striving to improve.

........ drum roll....... and your having fun!!!


The statement "someone always makes a mistake" is dead on. With a constant ebbing and flowing fight it ends up who makes the fewest mistakes and the best reads. Everyone will make mistakes..... learn to limit your own.

Great Reply, Shuff  :aok

CAP can you post?  I wont be able too until 10pm or so.

so who is it this time................. SPY  :devil


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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2009, 10:39:06 AM »
Great answer shuf, everyone here has and continues to make mistakes in fights looking at my stats for this tour I've made 238 mistakes so far in Late War. :)

Couple things I think are worth keeping in mind, A) I wouldn't be too worried about the opinion of someone who is going to make fun of someone who comes here asking how or why they lost a fight, and B) odds are good that at least a few people around here making the same mistake and could learn from it as well.

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2009, 10:45:35 AM »

( seriously, be good to hook up with ya soon, miss our virtual cartoon combat  :airplane: )

huh? You mean it was not real?  :(
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Re: Dedalos
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2009, 10:55:30 AM »
huh? You mean it was not real?  :(

some of em  would make you think you was in a real fight for your life, by the intensity........even though I am still here alive and kicking after all those times you sent me to the tower  :D
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2009, 11:26:23 AM »
even though I am still here alive and kicking

Bah, rubber bullets.  :furious
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.