Real World Pilots

[Casca]

Whenever I have found myself off the side of the runway admiring the weeds I've been, upon reflection, able to trace it to a deficiency in piloting technique rather than the fault of the airplane or engine/prop selection.  There was one instance where the top wire of a fence wrapped around the gear leg and crimped the right brake line shut on a C 188 but, hey, I should't have hit the fence.  I am, also, squarely in the camp of those who prefer a dab of brake if necessary during the takeoff roll to the scenic tour of the less improved areas of the airport.

[CAP1]

Whenever I have found myself off the side of the runway admiring the weeds I've been, upon reflection, able to trace it to a deficiency in piloting technique rather than the fault of the airplane or engine/prop selection.  There was one instance where the top wire of a fence wrapped around the gear leg and crimped the right brake line shut on a C 188 but, hey, I should't have hit the fence.  I am, also, squarely in the camp of those who prefer a dab of brake if necessary during the takeoff roll to the scenic tour of the less improved areas of the airport.

so far, no one has said any different

[MutleyBR]

As single engine, reliable, private aircraft, I LOVE Cessnas.

See what guys do in Brazilian Amazon jungle, to take doctors and medicine goods to native villages, or servicing gold(or precious stones) digging camps.

200m length, runways, many with no go around chance, because of high trees, with under maintained, overloaded planes...

They go in overloaded, carrying miners, or beer and stuff for the miners and go out overloaded with miners, gold, sick or wounded, dead, and gold.

AND they carry a sidearm, nasty things happen in those areas...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgFfynfCds

In this one fast forward to around 7 minutes and see a "high performance" take off...

I the take off after this one the pilot has to alleviate fuel load, so not to get stuck in the mud...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=7lkCJ7S6MGk

Just one piece of advice from a friend who flies there and was teaching me., he said, with a funny smile, "Son, in a single engine plane, landing on those runways, always plan your approach so you have to reduce power, NEVER to add power,,, 'Cause if if you need power and the engine quits, you're done..."

Centerline? What's a centerline?

Mutley

[Cobra516]

Pretty wild flying in those videos!

Here's a near 0 groundspeed landing and takeoff in a Super Cub on a hillside side.  Looks to have modified wingtips, drooped ailerons, VG's and a 180 HP with a big prop aad some big tires .  That kind of flying has to be a blast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XYFcw1c-Oo

Dragging the wheels in the water for about 150 feet to shorten the ground roll onto the beach  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21El16OPZoc

Loni has some great videos about bush flying on his site http://cubdriver749er.com/

[Casca]

As single engine, reliable, private aircraft, I LOVE Cessnas.

See what guys do in Brazilian Amazon jungle, to take doctors and medicine goods to native villages, or servicing gold(or precious stones) digging camps.

200m length, runways, many with no go around chance, because of high trees, with under maintained, overloaded planes...

They go in overloaded, carrying miners, or beer and stuff for the miners and go out overloaded with miners, gold, sick or wounded, dead, and gold.

AND they carry a sidearm, nasty things happen in those areas...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgFfynfCds

The first exterior shot in the clip is a Heliocourier.  It is a purpose built STOL aircraft and is THE aircraft to use if you need to operate on crappy strips.  They were built in Pittsburg, KS and the factory runway was all of 500' long. I've got a little time in the type, an ex-military U 10 actually, between 3 & 4 hundred hours and love them.  When you get them slowed up the slats pop out and they have spoilers that operate in conjunction with the ascending aileron for low speed roll control.  I was flying it one day towing gliders when the FAA guy was on the field and he came over to chat.  It turned out that he had been a factory demo pilot for Helio and used to occasionally land them with the parking brake set to impress potential customers.  I never tried that but I can see how you could do it.  His name was Bill Mackey and he went on to become the manager for FAA Central Region.

They have a couple of quirks but are just great ships.

[MutleyBR]

The first exterior shot in the clip is a Heliocourier.  It is a purpose built STOL aircraft and is THE aircraft to use if you need to operate on crappy strips.  They were built in Pittsburg, KS and the factory runway was all of 500' long. I've got a little time in the type, an ex-military U 10 actually, between 3 & 4 hundred hours and love them.  When you get them slowed up the slats pop out and they have spoilers that operate in conjunction with the ascending aileron for low speed roll control.  I was flying it one day towing gliders when the FAA guy was on the field and he came over to chat.  It turned out that he had been a factory demo pilot for Helio and used to occasionally land them with the parking brake set to impress potential customers.  I never tried that but I can see how you could do it.  His name was Bill Mackey and he went on to become the manager for FAA Central Region.

They have a couple of quirks but are just great ships.

Just posted the link because because it shows the kind of runways and conditions they operate.
We all know what's a Cessna and what's not... 

The great majority of single engine planes flying in the Amazon area are Cessnas.

We say here, "single engine is Cessna and twin is Beechcraft".

And I salute those guys for doing a job, few want to take, without which many would die.

The average loss is about 2 planes per month...

Mutley

[MutleyBR]

Pretty wild flying in those videos!

Here's a near 0 groundspeed landing and takeoff in a Super Cub on a hillside side.  Looks to have modified wingtips, drooped ailerons, VG's and a 180 HP with a big prop aad some big tires .  That kind of flying has to be a blast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XYFcw1c-Oo

Dragging the wheels in the water for about 150 feet to shorten the ground roll onto the beach 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21El16OPZoc

Loni has some great videos about bush flying on his site http://cubdriver749er.com/

The trick there is the use on "Tundra" tires. Tundra tires rock! Although very expensive and hard co come by.

And speaking of tires, when those jungle guys have a flat and no spare, they fill the tire with grass and take off  .

Mutley

[CAP1]

Just posted the link because because it shows the kind of runways and conditions they operate.
We all know what's a Cessna and what's not... 

The great majority of single engine planes flying in the Amazon area are Cessnas.

We say here, "single engine is Cessna and twin is Beechcraft".

And I salute those guys for doing a job, few want to take, without which many would die.

The average loss is about 2 planes per month...

Mutley

i've only got just over 200 hours. the majority are in cessnas. i flew a couple pipers, and although they're nice....well......i just like cessnas.

 i truly believe it's the ford/chevy discussion taken to the air though.

[MutleyBR]

i've only got just over 200 hours. the majority are in cessnas. i flew a couple pipers, and although they're nice....well......i just like cessnas.

 i truly believe it's the ford/chevy discussion taken to the air though.

I love Chevys.   

[Shuffler]

I love Chevys.   

I used to love chevys too. Since they are on the welfare rolls now I do not.

I only want them out of my pocket.

[A8Hunter]

I've jumped out of plenty, C-130, C-141, C-17, C-47, UH-60Blackhawk, UH-1, CH-47, Cessna 172, 182, Beech 18, UV-18, and many others,,,only saw em as a means to get to altitude!

[MutleyBR]

I've jumped out of plenty, C-130, C-141, C-17, C-47, UH-60Blackhawk, UH-1, CH-47, Cessna 172, 182, Beech 18, UV-18, and many others,,,only saw em as a means to get to altitude!

That reminds me of the little kid who is with his mama at the airport and sees a plane up in the sky droping parachutists. There is the plane, way up, leaving some dark dots behind.
He says, "Look Ma! That plane is doing dodo!"   

A big  to you Sir, specially on the C-141 jump. and whatever you did after those jumps...

Mutley.

[CAP1]

I used to love chevys too. Since they are on the welfare rolls now I do not.

I only want them out of my pocket.

i've always been a ford nut..........never had a chevy that was comparably modified to any of my fords beat em....including my 64 galaxy.....and that dam thing had the front end in one zip code, the back end in another. 

[2ADoc]

I have had to use breaks on takeoff a few time, Aerostars mostly, a Beech 18, cause I forgot to lock the tailwheel, that was a suprise, and a DC-3.  Well I had to once or twice in a J-3, a Taylorcraft, a champ, once in a while in a Kate, but I cant think of any of the little cessnas that I ever had to use breaks on takeoff.  As he said it was one of his first takeoffs so I would have more reason to get onto the instructor for letting it get to far out.  Just my humble opinion.

[cbxsteve]

I've got about 1,500 hours as a P-3 Orion pilot; "A handful of college graduates ferrying a crew of high school drop-outs from party to party around the world."

ROFL...I was one of the high-school dropouts.  VP-31 '70-'72. Spent a fair amount of time sleeping under the radar console. Figured out why it was the warmest place on the bird to catch a few Zs before it was too late...I thi thi think.