F3 view for IL2

[mechanic]

It really doesnt bother me if they use F3 mode. An Il-2 is a flying coffin if you have any kind of skill. Sure sometimes you get shot by one using F3 mode but big deal, get a new plane and learn from your mistakes. Just my opinion.

[Delirium]

From what I've seen, the external view is only good for SA and not a whole lot else. Frankly, if you're dumb enough to put yourself in front of an Il2's guns (external view or not), expect to get shot down. They are slow, and except for a fairly good instantaneous turn rate for the first turn only, they are complete pigs.

I used to enjoy fighting Goaly's Il2, he'd use it to BnZ from much higher alt and it made for some good times.

get a new plane and learn from your mistakes

Quit making sense, we don't appreciate it. 

[Ack-Ack]

Those that attempt to say it has no bearing are incredibly naive.   

no, more like someone trying to find some excuse as to why he's getting shot down by lesser planes than what he flies. 

From what I've seen, the external view is only good for SA and not a whole lot else. Frankly, if you're dumb enough to put yourself in front of an Il2's guns (external view or not), expect to get shot down. They are slow, and except for a fairly good instantaneous turn rate for the first turn only, they are complete pigs.

I used to enjoy fighting Goaly's Il2, he'd use it to BnZ from much higher alt and it made for some good times.

Quit making sense, we don't appreciate it. 

They get it.


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[newz]

The guns for the IL2 should not be able to be fired from F3 View

I agree. This should apply to all bombers not just the IL2.

If I read your stats correctly, you were only shot down once by an IL2
in December. Seems not to have had much of an effect on you.
Are you posting this for a friend or squadie who has an axe to grind
with the IL2?

[waystin2]

After flying the IL-2, I enjoy it quite a bit.  I use F3 for locating ground targets, and to keep track of air cons.  when I get to gun solution on either, I swap to F1.  F3 is simply not a feasible option for shooting with this bird.  The pilots that fly it this way are few and far between.  The usual scenario that I have seen is to get the con to overshoot the IL-2, then while in F3 spray and pray at their rear end until they are out of reach.  Ghi is quite accomplished at this Xbox type flying.  I say changing it will have little or no effect on the game.  Simply not worth the effort.

[Anaxogoras]

The usual scenario that I have seen is to get the con to overshoot the IL-2, then while in F3 spray and pray at their rear end until they are out of reach.  Ghi is quite accomplished at this Xbox type flying.

That's the name that comes to mind if someone says the F3 view makes the Il-2 a threat.  He has mastered the perfectly timed F3 no-red-out pushover followed by the snap shot when his attacker suffers red-out and cannot follow.

Edit:  The Il-2 did fairly well in one of the FSOs we had a little while back.  In one frame it had a K/D of .7, iirc.  In the frame I flew it, we succeeded through spray-and-pray front quarter shots.

[Rich46yo]

not sure how you can say that.

It allows you to see your enemy to aim at them when they are under your nose.  I've flown this way and it is a trememdous advantage.

Yeah but you still have to dip your nose to shoot and its still far more accurate shooting with a sight as a sight then with a plane as a sight. F3 might allow you a better 360% SA, "big deal, in an IL-2", but it doesnt let you aim more accurately. I pop into F3 from F1, and back again, too. But I dont actually shoot from F3. Ive tried it after all these dramatic threads in the forum and its still very difficult to hit anything. It would be far easier in a Mossie with all the mose guns then in an IL-2, which has two very slow ROF cannon in the wing roots, with an ammo load that doesnt allow you the luxury of walking a tracer stream into a con. And MGs which really dont matter.

And since IL-2s are easily slaughtered by any fighter jock with even slight skill one really has to wonder what is the motivation behind these, "The world is ending due to the IL-2s killing power and F3 view" threads.

Did someones widdle tank get blowed up?

Anyone really want to try this then go into offline mode and shoot in F3, and then shoot in F1 useing the sight, and tell me which is easier and more accurate.

[Rich46yo]

Well how do you know GHI is in F3 shooting when you overshoot?

Course the easiest thing is just dont overshoot. Or, use the vertical afterwards and then the IL-2 is out of the equation. With superior energy in a fighter which also has far superior climb why are you even concerned about overshooting an IL-2?

There is nothing inherent in the IL-2 flight model which allows cheesier stick jerking and overshoots more then any other fighter. The only thing is its so slow that guys overshoot them all the time.

Frankly Im only average in a fighter, almost everyone in this thread is better then I, and still I find IL-2s easy to shoot down and avoid. So again I have to wonder what the real motivation is behind this IL-2 hysteria.

For the record Im all for taking the guns away when in F3 mode. I never shoot in F3 mode so it wouldnt affect me in the slightest.

[mechanic]

Ghi flies the Il-2 only ever against vulchers. Please don't anyone pretend somehow that hovering over a base to kill essentialy defenceless targets is any less gamey than using the il-2 in either F3 mode or cockpit style. He is also exceptionaly good at defending against vulchers in it. As far as I know, Ghi uses the cockpit view for alot of his kills in it. If he does use the F3 view sometimes then big deal...he is still displaying far bigger kahones than any of the vulchers he is killing.

If the Il-2 with F3 mode is so easy, i wonder why no one ever flies it as an offensive fighter...

This thread is almost certainly the product of vulchers losing thier 10 'kills' to a resourcefull Il-2 vulchee.

[Tilt]

I think the easiest solution for this F3 mode debate is the definition of a bomber aircraft.

If it hasn't got a bombsite it isn't a bomber IMO.

The il2 / A20 / B25H are all ground ATTACK aircraft.  What is the reasoning behind having f3 mode?  simulating the fact that there is a rear gunner and he can look around?    

How about the 110 then ?  no F3 mode there....

Agreed a proper Attack mode should eliminate the F3 view for all such aircraft................  There are a group of ac in AH that should only be classified as attack and never bomber or fighter IMO....none of them should have F3.

110c could be considered as a dual role ac but the 110G is primarily an Attack ac IMO.

[Anaxogoras]

Ghi flies the Il-2 only ever against vulchers.

Yup, right after his squad sneaks a base in the corner of the map, 100+ miles away from the rest of the action.

[shreck]

Yup, right after his squad sneaks a base in the corner of the map, 100+ miles away from the rest of the action.

GHI is ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS at the recieving end of the vulchfest! I challenge anyone to NOT find GHI defending a GAYNGED base whenever he is logged on!!
I am convinced without GHI many a tards score would be faaaaar worse

                      Way to give back to the HAVE-NOTS !   "G"  

[Ack-Ack]

Ahh Ghi, I remember the time I made him cry and scream after shooting down his IL2 twice in a Ju 87. 


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[shreck]

Ahh Ghi, I remember the time I made him cry and scream after shooting down his IL2 twice in a Ju 87. 


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Have never heard GHI complain, laugh allot --->YES  never complain! 

[Ack-Ack]

Have never heard GHI complain, laugh allot --->YES  never complain! 

Oh, he was complaining a lot that night, too bad early AH2 films are no longer compatible with the film viewer because it is a funny film.


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