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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #450 on: January 21, 2010, 03:35:07 PM »
What's a turn tard? :huh

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #451 on: January 21, 2010, 03:48:48 PM »
A turn tard is someone who is flying such an uber turning aircraft, such as a Spit9, HurriC, Zero, etc that you cannot effectively reverse them in the majority of the aircraft.  Like Kazaa or TonyJoey flying a Spit9, completely unfair and unnecessary choice of ride.  Turn tards!  :D

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #452 on: January 21, 2010, 03:50:17 PM »
What's a turn tard? :huh

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #453 on: January 21, 2010, 03:51:31 PM »
A turn tard is someone who is flying such an uber turning aircraft, such as a Spit9, HurriC, Zero, etc that you cannot effectively reverse them in the majority of the aircraft.  Like Kazaa or TonyJoey flying a Spit9, completely unfair and unnecessary choice of ride.  Turn tards!  :D


ahh ok... I rescind my comment, unless the G14 makes the turn tard list in the future. I just call the uber-turny planes 'clown wagons' (courtesy of Warkat). Esp the spit 5 and the Hurry 2C...

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #454 on: January 21, 2010, 03:51:46 PM »
i am sure i said that flying smart will lead to success much quicker than learning how to duel, which it will.

It doesn't take all that long to learn how to "fly smart". Its not that hard to recognize a good situation vs. a fubar one, not that hard to recognize an occupied and "cherry" victim. A couple dozen hours flight time at most. Nothing wrong with flying moderately "smart", since I don't really die though, I regularly ignore that little voice in my head that says what I'm doing is a bad idea, and actually come out of "stupid" situations with kills enough to make continued attempts worthwhile.

A duel is by definition a neutral situation. If you can't win from a neutral situation, you can't win in a disadvantaged situation. Similar plane duels, btw, still involve all the elements of the broad range of ACM. One adversaries choice of E-sacrifice on the merge to gain angles leads to the other player applying "E"-tactics quite often, for example. Reversals, can and do happen, any opponent worth their salt will usually test your flying and gunnery even after a six position is gained. Everyone knows that a 109K4 outclimbs a Jug, or that a Hurricane out-turns an Fw-190...but when the planes have identical performance, the skill of detecting and taking advantage of subtle differences in energy and position moment-to-moment is honed. Even when it comes to fighting from an advantage, one needs the practice...if you can't get guns on the opponent in a matched duel, then that Spit one is trying  to b'n'z to death in a 190 will probably prove far too elusive. (While we're on the subject though, the TA is really much better than the DA, because successful gun solutions can be made over and over again without having to restart the fight.)

As an aside-"turnard"!?!?!??? All ACM involves "turning" of some form or another. And ACM, as played at the highest level, always become about how slowly you can fly your ride and still remain in control. You are never going to kill anybody that knows what they are doing 1v1 by refusing to make a pass at less than 350+.

Far too often in one's travels, one is going to run into more maneuverable planes one cannot run from. One has the choice to make, are you just going to depend on others, and likely die while yelling for the help that may or may not come in time? Or are you going to learn some skills that actually give you abit of a chance in that situation?
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #455 on: January 21, 2010, 04:03:24 PM »
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #456 on: January 21, 2010, 04:05:03 PM »
It seems to me that no matter how hard we try not to be....we are all just a bunch of tards   :D
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #457 on: January 21, 2010, 04:09:23 PM »
i like turtles

Turt tard  :D


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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #458 on: January 21, 2010, 04:12:54 PM »
And ACM, as played at the highest level, always become about how slowly you can fly your ride and still remain in control.
Actually, there are speed/turn (and altitude?) envelopes (I forget what they're called) for every aircraft.  The optimum ACM is to be in a flight regime that exploits your plane's strengths vs. the enemy's weaknesses, which are not necessarily the slowest possible speed.

Extending in a dogfight is also a valid option.

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #459 on: January 21, 2010, 04:16:11 PM »
you should be careful or you will upset the turn-tards ...

as you can see they become very hostile when cornered ...

Actually, there are speed/turn (and altitude?) envelopes (I forget what they're called) for every aircraft.  The optimum ACM is to be in a flight regime that exploits your plane's strengths vs. the enemy's weaknesses, which are not necessarily the slowest possible speed.

Extending in a dogfight is also a valid option.

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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #460 on: January 21, 2010, 04:19:27 PM »

As an aside-"turnard"!?!?!??? All ACM involves "turning" of some form or another. And ACM, as played at the highest level, always become about how slowly you can fly your ride and still remain in control. You are never going to kill anybody that knows what they are doing 1v1 by refusing to make a pass at less than 350+.


Not true, ask them and you will learn.  There a 733t ACMer move called push stick forward and never look back.  See? no turntarding involved  :rofl
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #461 on: January 21, 2010, 04:21:18 PM »
you should be careful or you will upset the turn-tards ...

as you can see they become very hostile when cornered ...


He said extending.  That means gain some distance so you can regain e and continue the fight. 
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #462 on: January 21, 2010, 04:53:58 PM »
He said extending. 

yes he did ...

That means gain some distance so you can regain e and continue the fight. 

no, it means using your energy advantage to gain separation ...

you are projecting your bias into his statement to draw a conclusion for no reason,
and are so arrogant about your narrow view of ACM that you do not even realize that you are doing it.

you presume you know what he means, and presume i do not.

 

 
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #463 on: January 21, 2010, 04:58:03 PM »
He said extending. 

that depends on what she's wearing. ;)
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Re: Dueling vs MA fighting
« Reply #464 on: January 21, 2010, 05:15:36 PM »

ahh ok... I rescind my comment, unless the G14 makes the turn tard list in the future. I just call the uber-turny planes 'clown wagons' (courtesy of Warkat). Esp the spit 5 and the Hurry 2C...


i was called a "bad name" the other day when i out turned a spit in my G14 :D :noid
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