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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #165 on: January 09, 2010, 11:06:07 AM »
I wouldn't worry about Diver. Roy is a very reasonable guy. I'm sure once Diver decides he's done being angry, he'll call HTC and get reinstated. It's not that big of a deal. The "P" in "PNG" does not necessarily stand for "permanent".

Besides, I once saw Diver8up, while in a flakker, vulch Grizz's 262.  Every muppet online laughed hysterically at it. Even Grizz was a good sport about it, after some initial gnashing of teeth.
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #166 on: January 09, 2010, 11:15:42 AM »
I've been around Diver through the game for a few years, and I know him enough in real life to be certain he is a stand-up guy. We all screw up, and as long was we admit it, we're better off. <<S>> Diver8up.


you guys ever think diver8up not guy u thinking of... this guy just got on bbs dec 2009.




ops never mind it is diver8up  thought at first was someone using his name on boards. seen that before
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #167 on: January 09, 2010, 11:21:21 AM »
The more I read this thread. The more I see is the Irony of it.       "Yawn"   Im just trying to hold on till WW1 comes out.
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #168 on: January 09, 2010, 11:30:56 AM »
Hitech

I rarely post on these boards but I do read and follow them. I took over the BOPS from Falc effective in August of 09 and feel as Diver's overall squadron leader to respond to this post. I have taken the time to read all the posts and speak to Diver. Unfortunately I did call the AH offices but it was to late on Friday and I will make a serious effort to speak with Mr. Addinks on monday. I have a few comments to make.

1. Diver is an exceptional person and player. He has dealt with personal issues and professional ones that would make a lessor man snap. He has faced medical issues in his family and employment issues...like a lot of us have in this economy and still maintained a positive attitude and been a loyal wingman and great friend. Whether it was hurricanes, a child with serious medical issues, being out of work he has kept his chin up. But every man has his limit. Diver loves this game and has been a loyal player for years. His loss will be sorely felt unless we can get this situation resolved.

2. Hitech, bottom line its your company and your product and you run it as you see fit. I am a private business owner myself and I understand the pride one takes in his product, and how pissed off it made me when someone degrades my product in any way. You write the rules and you enforce the rules, its your ship and you run it. I am asking you, as Diver's CO for his reinstatement to the game. I ask for one reason only. According to the reports I have your last statement as "you are not the kind of customer we want". Sir with all due respect you are dead wrong on this part. Diver after all these years still takes the time and has the patience to mentor new players in this game. He does not write them off as noobies and move on. He takes the time to maximize the enjoyment they can get from the game. He teaches, he leads, and he loves this game. He is exactly the type of player you want IN THE GAME.

3. What I propose is this. Put him on probation, ban him permanently from the boards, and I will take personal responsibility for his conduct in the game at the peril of my own membership. But please reconsider this decision Sir. The diver that made the serious errors in judgement in posting what he did is not the diver you see in the game 99.9% of the time. I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.

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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #169 on: January 09, 2010, 11:35:52 AM »
WT666,
Put that in email form and I think this might get resolved even faster :aok :salute
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #170 on: January 09, 2010, 11:50:21 AM »
Junky I have done so. thank you

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« Reply #171 on: January 09, 2010, 12:09:53 PM »
Junky I have done so. thank you

I don't see how they could hold you accountable for another's actions, either legally or practically. (not trying to pick a fight, I realize you are trying to help)

I don't know what transpired when Diver spoke to Dale... heated words I would guess. I still maintain  HTC are very reasonable and quite forgiving and that,  if Diver wants to,  when he calls them with a cool head, he could work this out. I don't have a crystal ball or any info on this specific situation, it's just how I feel based on my dealings with Dale and Roy.
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #172 on: January 09, 2010, 12:32:14 PM »
Obviously I agree with WT666.

Diver has been a well respected member of the AH community for some time.

And I don't think he deserves the "knee jerk" reaction he received for his statements.

I would tend to lean towards some type of temporary penalty. (if any)

I wouldn't react so harshly to a guy who has never even been on the radar before.

I've seen alot worse in here receive alot less.
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #173 on: January 09, 2010, 12:32:51 PM »
Diver already has called and that is why I am taking this extraordinary step. And I will voluntarily turn in my wings if he screws up again.

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« Reply #174 on: January 09, 2010, 12:34:58 PM »
Diver already has called and that is why I am taking this extraordinary step. And I will voluntarily turn in my wings if he screws up again.

Well like I said:

 don't see how they could hold you accountable for another's actions, either legally or practically

I know this.. as I said:

I don't know what transpired when Diver spoke to Dale.

Either you didn't read my post or didn't understand it.
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #175 on: January 09, 2010, 12:40:32 PM »
Hitech

I rarely post on these boards but I do read and follow them. I took over the BOPS from Falc effective in August of 09 and feel as Diver's overall squadron leader to respond to this post. I have taken the time to read all the posts and speak to Diver. Unfortunately I did call the AH offices but it was to late on Friday and I will make a serious effort to speak with Mr. Addinks on monday. I have a few comments to make.

1. Diver is an exceptional person and player. He has dealt with personal issues and professional ones that would make a lessor man snap. He has faced medical issues in his family and employment issues...like a lot of us have in this economy and still maintained a positive attitude and been a loyal wingman and great friend. Whether it was hurricanes, a child with serious medical issues, being out of work he has kept his chin up. But every man has his limit. Diver loves this game and has been a loyal player for years. His loss will be sorely felt unless we can get this situation resolved.

2. Hitech, bottom line its your company and your product and you run it as you see fit. I am a private business owner myself and I understand the pride one takes in his product, and how pissed off it made me when someone degrades my product in any way. You write the rules and you enforce the rules, its your ship and you run it. I am asking you, as Diver's CO for his reinstatement to the game. I ask for one reason only. According to the reports I have your last statement as "you are not the kind of customer we want". Sir with all due respect you are dead wrong on this part. Diver after all these years still takes the time and has the patience to mentor new players in this game. He does not write them off as noobies and move on. He takes the time to maximize the enjoyment they can get from the game. He teaches, he leads, and he loves this game. He is exactly the type of player you want IN THE GAME.

3. What I propose is this. Put him on probation, ban him permanently from the boards, and I will take personal responsibility for his conduct in the game at the peril of my own membership. But please reconsider this decision Sir. The diver that made the serious errors in judgement in posting what he did is not the diver you see in the game 99.9% of the time. I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.

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   Diver is one of my favorite squaddies & players.  He is my friend.  He made a mistake.  He doesn't visit these boards & doesn't really know how it works with our community & our interaction with HTC here.  He called to talk to HT last night to apologize & was totally blown off.  I really hope tempers calm down & he will be allowed to return to the game.  He is not the one who started this mess & I know how much he loves the game.  He is a nightly player, and by reading these posts, one can tell what a great guy he is.  This game is important to him & that is why he took such a strong stance on the whole hacking thing.  It had him really fired up like the rest of us.  I hope HTC will let him back in the game & cooler heads will prevail.  It's very rare that a player with a better in-game attitude will be found.  The dude screwed up by voicing his opinion.  There are far worse things in life that someone can do.  Taking your temper out on a long time loyal customer and banishing them is one of them.  It was the wrong subject & timing for Diver to make this mistake on, but good God, the guy is human.  Don't take away something that obviously means so much to him (he plays nightly for hours) over this stupid crap.  We are all pissed that someone invaded our playground & screwed it up.  Don't take it out on the wrong person who, right or wrong, voiced his opinion on the matter.  My god, cut the dude a little slack for caring about the game.  This situation is stupid.  That is my opinion and yes I'm gonna voice it.  If I get banned for it too, than I accept that.  I fought many times for the rights of this country and I dang sure am gonna exercise em.  Diver has helped players and this game a thousand times more than a couple of stupid posts could ever hurt it.  Ban him from the boards, fine, but give the man his passion back.  Stop punishing the wrong person.  He has already called to apologize & is going to again on Monday.  Please accept it.  This post has not been an attack on HTC.  I speak to everyone man to man, I don't care who you are.  Tempers got out of hand, but the moment is over.  He knows he was wrong and has tried to apologize.  Please let him back into the game.  I personally know how much it means to him.

Please HT.  Punish the hackers, not the long time loyal player & customer.  Have a heart & let Diver back in the game.
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Re: Posting on hacks.
« Reply #176 on: January 09, 2010, 12:50:28 PM »
Punish the hackers, not the long time loyal player & customer.
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« Reply #177 on: January 09, 2010, 12:56:39 PM »
Look, most of you know me from being a total tool ultra melon tard. yes i admit that. I have pushed away friends i made on this game with my childish and disrespectful actions.(one of the reasons bipolar is no more) Ive been text suspended maybe 30 times and mod muted in the hundreds. because i was a total idiot and detriment to this game. even i had several shots to get it right. (for the drama queens, no i didnt get ban, but bipolar is no more)

Now diver on the other hand has been the complete opposite from that. He is a really nice guy. i dont think ive ever seen him say something out of line on 200. Always working with the new kids. And is the kind of player you want playing and promoting your product.

Now i dont have any idea what kind of words were exchanged between him and HT. But i personally would like to see him allowed back. just my thoughts.  
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« Reply #178 on: January 09, 2010, 01:01:09 PM »
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I again state catagorically that will put my own neck in the noose in order for you to reconsider this banishment.

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« Reply #179 on: January 09, 2010, 01:12:19 PM »
Look, most of you know me from being a total tool ultra melon tard. yes i admit that. I have pushed away friends i made on this game with my childish and disrespectful actions.(one of the reasons bipolar is no more) Ive been text suspended maybe 30 times and mod muted in the hundreds. because i was a total idiot and detriment to this game. even i had several shots to get it right. (for the drama queens, no i didnt get ban, but bipolar is no more)
  

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