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Offline leonid

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2000, 12:59:00 AM »
You know, Citabria, those Yakovlev fighters snap roll even faster than the La-5FN    And they do it best in the other direction(Klimov engines rotate in the same direction as the Tiffie's).

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2000, 02:03:00 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2000, 02:35:00 AM »
Ok, enough for the pro communist propaganda roadkille!

The question is, what it can really do?

- Turn?
- Climb?
- Speed (low/mid/high)?
- Fuel capability?

Just the facts, ma'am!

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2000, 03:14:00 AM »
Quite simply the Yak 9U was generally regarded as the finest Russian fighter of the war.  Some specs I have are:  Top speed 434 mph @ 16,405 ft (5000m)    Ceiling 34,500 ft, range 550 miles, armed with 1 20 mm ShVAK and 2 12.7 mm (50 cal) BS machine guns.  Could also carry 2 220 lb bombs.  Roll rate was impressive.  Armor (especially in 9T varient) was provided, and in addition this plane had metal spars vs wood in the Yak 7.

There was also a tank busting 9T varient that could carry a variety of stores.

Total production of all Yak 9 varients was 16,769 aircraft.

The great thing is that with minor skin modifications HTC can also have a Yak-7.



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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2000, 04:33:00 AM »
LOL SG I can't remember the last time I fought above 5000 meters.  

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2000, 05:06:00 AM »
Ooooh, and god forbid if HTC give the -9U the armament loadouts of the -9UT:
  • N-37, B-20S x 2 (37mm, and two 20mm cannons)
  • NS-23, B-20S x 2 (23mm, and two 20mm cannons)
  • B-20 x 3 (three 20mm cannons)
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2000, 05:08:00 AM »

Jochen (with the courtesy of Vermillion):

 

Take a look at time to 5000mt and wing load. The old WarBirds Yak-3 syndrome will hit me soon ....
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2000, 07:16:00 AM »
 
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The old WarBirds Yak-3 syndrome will hit me soon...

Why wasn't it more popular in WB? I mean in one year, I remember seeing Yak about 5 times in MA and usually they were easy kills because mostly newbies flew them?

Personally I liked the plane but overall but the ammo load was pitifully small. I guess this will be same in AH too.

I think that generally hitting enemies is harder in AH than in WB. If this is really the case then Yak 9 won't become uber plane simply because most pilots can't cope with low ammo load. In time we will se how it goes.

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2000, 07:32:00 AM »
Jochen, old buddy,
the WB Yak-3 was (ehm, is) a very good fighter, fast, good acceleration and climb rate, very good visibility from the cockpit. The main problems were a rather slow roll rate (can Verm and/or Leonid help us on this topic?) and the light ammo load.
At least Yak-9U drivers will understand what a 109 pilot needs to learn about gunnery and ammo saving      

Anyway: Bring the G.55 "Centauro"  to Aces High!

     

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2000, 08:34:00 AM »
gatt,
I don't remember the WB Yak-3 having a slow roll rate.  Actually, it was above average.

Yes, I think the basic armament for the Yak-9U was 120x 20mm shells, and 170x 12.7mm UBS rounds for the two mgs.  Not much of a load, but then I find it easier to hit targets here, than in WB.

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2000, 10:14:00 AM »
Leonid, you hit that on the button can't wait to strap myself into the Yak-9. Let's show them what a real stall fight is all about. And for u guys that feel u need alot of ammo in a Yak, u dont because u will be shooting from point blank range  

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2000, 10:18:00 AM »
mmm not much ammo, looks like it's bout the same as the 109 series not?

As I recall 20mm in the 109 has 150 rounds.

Don't think ammoload is going to be a big problem for the 5th GIAP  

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2000, 10:25:00 AM »
I agree with Leonid, I don't remember the Yak-3 as having bad roll, not great like a 190, but not real bad either.

Why wasn't it popular in WB's? Weak guns, and small ammo load had alot to do with it, especially in the world of the Spitfire Mk-UFO (thank God we dont' have that here). Honestly though, I think it was more the fact that it being a Russian plane, and most of our pilots are American, British, and then the Luftwobbles   it just doesn't have that "nationalistic mystique" that draws many of us to planes like the P-51, P-38, Fw190, or the Me109.

To me the Yak-3 was my favorite plane. Sure you might not win every fight due to the weak guns, but it was rare that you couldn't get home to complete a sortie if you flew smart.

A couple of difference's between the Yak-3 and what I expect to see out of the Yak-9U.  For one the -9 is considerably larger than the -3, more in proportion to other fighters, so it won't be that infamous minature target the -3 is. But on the plus side, the -9 has larger wings so I expect it too manuever better than the -3.

Like Leonid, I really hope that Pyro includes the -UT armament options (around 500 -UT's produced, of the total 4,000 -U's manufactured). It would really allow the Yak to compete lethality wise with the rest of the cannon birds in the arena, and only knocks off about 3-4mph off the top speed.

It would still have a very small ammo load (no spray and pray -1C or 190 here), but with all the guns being mounted in the nose it would allow you a good kill if you can get it on target.

I don't think I would personally have much use for the x1 NS-37 + x2 B-20's setup, just too much weight and too hard to hit with the 37mm. But I believe both the x1 NS-23 + x2 B-20's, or the x3 B-20's, setup would be quite useful. With my preference going to the 23mm option, since it is more lethal.

Guess we shall wait and see  

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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2000, 10:25:00 AM »
"GO GO GO russian friends !"

Wait a second! Does both 5 GIAP and JG 2 fly for Knight? Isn't that a conflict of interest?

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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2000, 11:16:00 AM »
Does this mean more Spit and G-10 food???    

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