Done for the tour

[Vinkman]

A bloody tree ended my run.

Take away 3 kills after I died and 2 GV kills which puts me on 49 and 4/5th aces.

Take it easy, Kaz.

P.S: I'm not going to hear the end of it when Bruv sees this. 1 away from matching his Fighter Ace record of 50 aces.

I was at least 4 of those. There is a thousand ways to die out there in the MA. Flak tard, puffy ack, ganged, heck a 1000yrd stray 37mm from a dweeb in a P-39 (How Grizz' 262 100 streak ended BTW). Staying alive for 250 kills in a row requires the same diciplines that pilots in the real world employed. Patience, focus, situational awareness. I've demonstrated none of those.

That is some serious dicipline

  Kazaa

[SunBat]

LOL, I detect sarcasm.

I used the word immersion, not "I'm a RL fiter pilet", huge difference.  If you're trying to survive, you have to use your brain to figure out solutions to complex problems.  With the goal being staying alive AND being as efficient as possible, it becomes quite the puzzle and extremely fun.  If I could be guaranteed 1v1s all day long in the MA, it wouldn't require much thought since I have fought the same 1v1s thousands of times against the best pilots the game has to offer in the DA.  The moves and the timing of the moves are memorized tactics that require some creativity, but not as much as you'd think.  The real fun involves thought process and asking yourself questions: How can I kill Bogie A) while avoiding Bogie B) and staying faster than bogie C) who's at high alt on the fray of icon?  If bogie C) comes screaming in and bogie B) comes to join in, what is the best course of action to negate both enemies advantage and position?  Is it possible to kill Bogie B) in time to avoid Bogie C) guns for a reverse on Bogie C?  If I miss Bogie B) am I screwed?  What's the likelihood I can take out Bogie B) on this first reversal?  Things like this make the game fun for me.  I don't particularly enjoy mindlessly turning on the deck without regard to my surroundings.

I guess some folks just don't get it. 

[mechanic]

LOL, I detect sarcasm.

I used the word immersion, not "I'm a RL fiter pilet", huge difference.  If you're trying to survive, you have to use your brain to figure out solutions to complex problems.  With the goal being staying alive AND being as efficient as possible, it becomes quite the puzzle and extremely fun.  If I could be guaranteed 1v1s all day long in the MA, it wouldn't require much thought since I have fought the same 1v1s thousands of times against the best pilots the game has to offer in the DA.  The moves and the timing of the moves are memorized tactics that require some creativity, but not as much as you'd think.  The real fun involves thought process and asking yourself questions: How can I kill Bogie A) while avoiding Bogie B) and staying faster than bogie C) who's at high alt on the fray of icon?  If bogie C) comes screaming in and bogie B) comes to join in, what is the best course of action to negate both enemies advantage and position?  Is it possible to kill Bogie B) in time to avoid Bogie C) guns for a reverse on Bogie C?  If I miss Bogie B) am I screwed?  What's the likelihood I can take out Bogie B) on this first reversal?  Things like this make the game fun for me.  I don't particularly enjoy mindlessly turning on the deck without regard to my surroundings.

Answer is easy! Point the nose of your 262 downwards and run like hell in all situations  

[Ardy123]

I don't particularly enjoy mindlessly turning on the deck without regard to my surroundings.

hey now, I like upping at almost capped fields and seeing how long I can survive struggling to defend against many cons. 

[Reschke]

My goal was to match or pass Bruv's 50 aces without a death, which he set in FA! I was one kill away before I died! ROFL!

http://project.sveno.net/thefew/page.php?id=100&aid=65

It was good to see Rilak's name on that FA kill page after all these years. He was always a good stick in those russkie planes when I was over there in FA back in the late '90's.

[Reschke]

so when you click the one who got the credit? 

Yeah I wanna know if it might have been due to a few hits with a Navy fighter squadron member who might have been in the area last night. The suspense of that is killing me to know who got the kill.

[Zoney]

Answer is easy! Point the nose of your 262 downwards and run like hell in all situations  

Lets see you do it then.

[TnDep]

Very Nice Kazaa,

Alot of different opinions in here but mine is that I respect that although this is a game you give 100% just like it was a real life situation.  Alot of mental break down's I'm sure 

Wtg 

TnDep

[mechanic]

Lets see you do it then.

Your humour meter not working? I'm sure Grizz knew i was joking. First off check out the very second post in this whole thread. Congratulating kazaa  

Second...ok I will rise to your bait, if you're calling me out...

'let's see you do it then'

......   like this?  

262 dweebs

Rinse and repeat. Not many of us had the disposable hours some people have.

Still, i much prefer to take some risks and own a spit16 in a 'turn fight' while flying my jet, like this maybe:

Spitfire owned



That ok with you?  

[RedTop]

Great run Kazzaa!!!! Very impressive. I tried that a couple of tours ago...I suck so bad that when I got to like 30 or 40 I was looking for ways out before I really got started.

Great work....and  Try again man....be cool to see ya break that recored of Bruvs. GIve him something to get after as well.

[grizz441]

Answer is easy! Point the nose of your 262 downwards and run like hell in all situations  

<G>
Me262 flying requires an entirely different decision making process and the issue with that isn't so much as escaping guys on your 6 but more so escaping HOs from your 12.  I'm going to assume you can handle the jet pretty well batfinkv, seeing as how you are one of the uber sticks in the game, so I'm not directing this at you. 

In a jet, the goal is to 1) Avoid a HO 2) Get within 200yds for gun solution and 3) Stay above 400mph at most all times since you have a big target on your head.  Problems arise because 1) and 2) blend together so much.  It's not easy to get these perfect crossing shots without subjecting yourself to risk of ram or HO.  You have to really have a good understanding of the geometry and relative speeds/turn rates of the aircraft you are lining shots up on.  In one situation you might be able to set up a perfect kill shot on a K4 whereas the exact same situation, it's a HO/ram against a Spit16.  The variables are always changing.  It's also incredibly difficult to set up a non HO gun solution zipping around at 450mph.  You know how easy it is for a bogey to keep going nose on with you, the key is good wingman tactics with another jet or setting up a nasty maneuver to give you a thin gun edge as he tries to dodge.  It's a game of cat and mouse and incredibly too much fun.  I have lost more jets than I can count over the past year due to rams, HOs, and augers trying to master this thing.  You don't just hop in a jet first run and kill 10 bogeys, you have to learn how to exploit small edges, and be an expert on everything listed above.  In a given jet run, it might take 20 failed passes/HO dodges to achieve 8-10 acceptable gun solutions.  You have to be a master of situational awareness, angles, and gunnery to have any chance of surviving and bagging more than a few kills. 

I don't expect all to understand, just thought I'd try to explain the jet in a more colorful way than the Black/White-Pick/Run mentality that a lot of people see it as.

[TonyJoey]

  Hehe, just kiddin' Kaz. Great run!

[toonces3]

Wow, WTFG Kazaa.

I was impressed enough with the 14 kills (and no deaths) in Lancs...

[kilz]

LMFAO wtg Kazaa HOWEVER i found this funny too

186 kills
21 assist
35 sorties
35 landed

186 kills per Death  rank 1
5.31 per sortie Rank 5
13.68 per hour of flight Rank 20
14.07 kills hit percent Rank 62
25787.61 kill points Rank 9

overall rank for Fighter 3 lol sad to say someone else was able to top these stats

[mechanic]

<G>
Me262 flying requires an entirely different decision making process and the issue with that isn't so much as escaping guys on your 6 but more so escaping HOs from your 12.  I'm going to assume you can handle the jet pretty well batfinkv, seeing as how you are one of the uber sticks in the game, so I'm not directing this at you. 

In a jet, the goal is to 1) Avoid a HO 2) Get within 200yds for gun solution and 3) Stay above 400mph at most all times since you have a big target on your head.  Problems arise because 1) and 2) blend together so much.  It's not easy to get these perfect crossing shots without subjecting yourself to risk of ram or HO.  You have to really have a good understanding of the geometry and relative speeds/turn rates of the aircraft you are lining shots up on.  In one situation you might be able to set up a perfect kill shot on a K4 whereas the exact same situation, it's a HO/ram against a Spit16.  The variables are always changing.  It's also incredibly difficult to set up a non HO gun solution zipping around at 450mph.  You know how easy it is for a bogey to keep going nose on with you, the key is good wingman tactics with another jet or setting up a nasty maneuver to give you a thin gun edge as he tries to dodge.  It's a game of cat and mouse and incredibly too much fun.  I have lost more jets than I can count over the past year due to rams, HOs, and augers trying to master this thing.  You don't just hop in a jet first run and kill 10 bogeys, you have to learn how to exploit small edges, and be an expert on everything listed above.  In a given jet run, it might take 20 failed passes/HO dodges to achieve 8-10 acceptable gun solutions.  You have to be a master of situational awareness, angles, and gunnery to have any chance of surviving and bagging more than a few kills. 

I don't expect all to understand, just thought I'd try to explain the jet in a more colorful way than the Black/White-Pick/Run mentality that a lot of people see it as.

nice write up, i think the hardest thing in all of this is the self control not to fly like an idiot when temptation arises. If you follow the principles you've outlined it is possible to 'never die' in a jet, barring bad luck. It definitely takes alot more skill and effort to do well in a 262 than any other plane in the eny 15-5 bracket.