Perking Spit 16

[Slade]

Most 16s are flown very badly.  On the other hand a good pilot with one is very formidable.

Being an average pilot (at best) I try to place myself in position where a 16 (or any plane) will ever have an advantage on me.  Usually if I get shot down by a 16 it was my mistake in judgment to have engaged it with little change to survive.

Good point on the LA7s.  If the 16 is perked many may jump back to the LA7.  I'd rather fight 16s - they cannot run or chase me down as well.

[gyrene81]

This probably wouldn't be such a big deal if those "good stick" people who claim to "enjoy the fight" didn't show up in one among the newbs when a big fight was going on...it's gotten to the point where anytime I see "good sticks" land multiple kills in a Spit XVI, XIV, C hog, Pony, or 262...or if a "good stick" shoots me down in one of those planes...I don't give them any acknowledgment whatsoever. The guys landing multiple kills in P-40s or 109Fs deserve the respect.

I don't think the LA-7 is good enough to need perking...it's not that great. Like the rest of the planes, someone who flies it a lot can be a handful in one...otherwise it's not on the same level with the Spit 14/16 or C hog. Very easy to get into trouble with.

[PJ_Godzilla]

This probably wouldn't be such a big deal if those "good stick" people who claim to "enjoy the fight" didn't show up in one among the newbs when a big fight was going on...it's gotten to the point where anytime I see "good sticks" land multiple kills in a Spit XVI, XIV, C hog, Pony, or 262...or if a "good stick" shoots me down in one of those planes...I don't give them any acknowledgment whatsoever. The guys landing multiple kills in P-40s or 109Fs deserve the respect.

I don't think the LA-7 is good enough to need perking...it's not that great. Like the rest of the planes, someone who flies it a lot can be a handful in one...otherwise it's not on the same level with the Spit 14/16 or C hog. Very easy to get into trouble with.

This raises a question to me... I've taken to flying the Spit IX because it's eny is 20 yet it's still a very strong dogfighter and a pretty easy kill platform - and it's fun. I met up with some guy named Draggon in LW Blue yesterday. I was actually in a Seafire MkII, he in a HurriII, and we used lots of communication to waste two of 3 P51-Ds that thought they could take us. The other ran home like a l'il bee-atch after multiple serial monogamy initiation night at the sorority house.

My question: what is the impact of ENY on Perkies? I'm told I get more perks for generating kills in a high ENY AC but know notihng of how that might work.

-HighJacker

[Guppy35]

This probably wouldn't be such a big deal if those "good stick" people who claim to "enjoy the fight" didn't show up in one among the newbs when a big fight was going on...it's gotten to the point where anytime I see "good sticks" land multiple kills in a Spit XVI, XIV, C hog, Pony, or 262...or if a "good stick" shoots me down in one of those planes...I don't give them any acknowledgment whatsoever. The guys landing multiple kills in P-40s or 109Fs deserve the respect.

I don't think the LA-7 is good enough to need perking...it's not that great. Like the rest of the planes, someone who flies it a lot can be a handful in one...otherwise it's not on the same level with the Spit 14/16 or C hog. Very easy to get into trouble with.

And still no one has given any justification for perking the Spit 16 beyond they might have to work to shoot one down now and then or they don't like seeing folks land kills in them.  Seems downright silly.

[waystin2]

And still no one has given any justification for perking the Spit 16 beyond they might have to work to shoot one down now and then or they don't like seeing folks land kills in them.  Seems downright silly.

No one can Guppy.  No one...  Ditto to your statement.

[Ghosth]

And still no one has given any justification for perking the Spit 16 beyond they might have to work to shoot one down now and then or they don't like seeing folks land kills in them.  Seems downright silly.

^ Quoted for truth!

Exactly so Guppy, exactly so.

[PJ_Godzilla]

^ Quoted for truth!

Exactly so Guppy, exactly so.

I think the justification's been given - it's just hiding because it's a bit small and silly.

As for the perk by performance argument... I'd call that too ambiguous. Which performance parameter should we base perking on and to what do we tie the perk level?

It's a high pressure can of worms.

[Anaxogoras]

And still no one has given any justification for perking the Spit 16 beyond they might have to work to shoot one down now and then or they don't like seeing folks land kills in them.  Seems downright silly.

I attempted to give justification once based on performance data, but some were not happy with my methodology.  See this thread:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264759.0.html

If you take a weighted average of the zscores for speed, climb, turn rate/radius, roll rate, firepower, ordnance, cockpit visibility, acceleration, dive acceleration, etc., the XVI scores with aircraft that are currently perked.  I was convinced by others that this was a better argument for unperking aircraft than for perking the XVI.

[SlapShot]

The fact that the more experienced sticks tend to avoid flying the 16 due to the negative stigma that surrounds it.. I.E. that its too easy to fly and get kills in.. tends to back up the OP argument that it is too good and needs to be perked.

Anyone who doesn't fly a plane because of "negative stigma" is basically a "tool" ... fly what ya like, when ya want to fly it.

I was and am still a huge Spit fan, but I fart in the general direction of Spit ... why ? ... because that is all I flew for about 2 years straight and I know what it can and cannot do. I did the exact same thing with the La-7 (flew it exclusively for over a year). Had I worried about what people thought, I might be in the same position as the OP and have no clue as to how to deal with these planes and then come crying on the BBS looking to perk it so I wouldn't have to deal with it.

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Want to know how to kill a Spit/La-7 ... fly a Spit/La-7 and "learn" it.

When I am in my FM2 or F6F and I see a Spit 5/8/9/14/16 ... I hope and pray that they stick around for a "fight" or think that they have a "easy" kill on the line.

Spit 16s taste like chicken

[WING47]

       The Spixteen is a uber plane and if you have ever flown a P-51, 109, P-38 all those skill oriented
planes. It does tend to be tougher than other birds. However, usually(please don't take this personally)
the pilots are easy to beat. Sure its good if your a noob but it affects the learning curve. Its just too
dang easy to fly. Not to mention only 24 hours of logged combat sorties. So I agree the Spit 16 should
be perked to a certain extent, only to discouage its use (its all people fly). +1 THRASH   

[Guppy35]

       The Spixteen is a uber plane and if you have ever flown a P-51, 109, P-38 all those skill oriented
planes. It does tend to be tougher than other birds. However, usually(please don't take this personally)
the pilots are easy to beat. Sure its good if your a noob but it affects the learning curve. Its just too
dang easy to fly. Not to mention only 24 hours of logged combat sorties. So I agree the Spit 16 should
be perked to a certain extent, only to discouage its use (its all people fly). +1 THRASH   

And that's the dumbest argument to make.  Discourage newbies from getting into a fight.  Force them into something that is harder to learn and can drive them away from learning to use it or even the game itself.

I hate to break it to you guys, but the real Spit was easy to fly too.  Talk to any Spit pilot and they'll tell you that.  Had the Spitfire been able to go the range as an escort there would have been no P51.  The game highlights it's strengths as going to Berlin and back isn't needed.  And with the airwar fought at lower alts in AH, the LFXVIe is right in the element it was designed for.

Good for the newbies who hop in it and have at it trying to learn the game.  I hope they feel some success and stick around so they can move on to birds that are more difficult and provide a different kind of success.

[FLS]

So if newbs take more challenging A/C in order to "learn ACM" it's just a coincidence that it'll be easier for the people telling them not to fly Spits to kill them? So the newbs need more challenge so there's less challenge for other people who already know ACM? It's like HOs and all the other unwritten rules. They all make it easier to kill newbs or harder for newbs to kill vets. By coincidence of course. It's for their own good. Really.   

[WING47]

And that's the dumbest argument to make.  Discourage newbies from getting into a fight.  Force them into something that is harder to learn and can drive them away from learning to use it or even the game itself.

I hate to break it to you guys, but the real Spit was easy to fly too.  Talk to any Spit pilot and they'll tell you that.  Had the Spitfire been able to go the range as an escort there would have been no P51.  The game highlights it's strengths as going to Berlin and back isn't needed.  And with the airwar fought at lower alts in AH, the LFXVIe is right in the element it was designed for.

Good for the newbies who hop in it and have at it trying to learn the game.  I hope they feel some success and stick around so they can move on to birds that are more difficult and provide a different kind of success.

key word GOOD FOR NOOBS

[Guppy35]

key word GOOD FOR NOOBS

And you've been playing how long?

[Scotty55OEFVet]

Spit 16 is the dweebiest plane in the game and needs to be perked badly. This plane is way to manuverable, can climb like nothing, and obviously can never stall out. Spit 16 needs to be perked double the amount of the spit 14. I'm really not to sure why the 14 is perked, even though it can't even manuver as good as the 16.(Anyone who responds to this and flys spit 16, learn something else to fly.)

I kill more Spixteens than any other plane...learn to deal with them.  You perk that and you will see a jump in Sissy LA LAs, Spit9's, etc.  You can perk the plane but ya cant perk the dweeb, lol.