Perking Spit 16

[Viperius]

And, in addition to my post above, consider the following counterpoint, also equipped with an elliptical wing: P-47 (oink, oink)

Yes but the Spit fuselage is slender and slim compared to the flying brick P-47 

[PJ_Godzilla]

Yes but the Spit fuselage is slender and slim compared to the flying brick P-47 

I have no doubt there is incremental drag associated with the big radial-equipped pig.

At this point, though, I'd like to remind you that your assertion was that the ellipitcal planform was the source of the Spit's "magic". You've just conceded that there's more to it than that.

I'd also remark that the induced drag dain from the eld is not of a piece with what is very likely a lower Cd overall w/r the flying pig - since the two share that characteristic; the eld.

[Guppy35]

I have no doubt there is incremental drag associated with the big radial-equipped pig.

At this point, though, I'd like to remind you that your assertion was that the ellipitcal planform was the source of the Spit's "magic". You've just conceded that there's more to it than that.

I'd also remark that the induced drag dain from the eld is not of a piece with what is very likely a lower Cd overall w/r the flying pig - since the two share that characteristic; the eld.

The thinness of the Spit wing also helped along with the low wingloading.  It wasn't that far from a Cessna in wing loading and the large elliptical wing contributed to that. Remember it was a Spit XI tested at Farnborough that reached the highest speed for a straight wing fighter going downhill.

Talk to anyone who flew Spits for real and they'll tell you that they were very forgiving airplanes that gave a lot of warning before they departed.  This changed over time as the weight of the Spit increased with the larger engines etc and the Griffon birds in particular took lots of trimming.

But the guys who flew Spits will tell you that the early Spits in particular, the I, II, V were very pleasant aircraft to fly.

[PJ_Godzilla]

The thinness of the Spit wing also helped along with the low wingloading. 

I'll buy that - the thing seems to, in general, have nice low drag numbers. I'd love to see some comparative Cd data. The Spit seems to hold energy well due to it's low-loss config. - a sense I don't get from, for example, the Hawg (not to be confused with "the Pig"). I'd also say that thin wings mean a weaker structure in bending -but then, we know this, right? It was one of the first things I ever did with a Spit XIV in the TA: climb to 20k, dive to about 500 mph, and pull back hard.

[THRASH99]

If you want to show how good you are, try something that can't bug out at will and yet doesn't have the energy building strength of a Spitfire.  Try spending a tour in something like the Bf109G-6, P-38G, F4F-4, Bf110G-2 (air-to-air only), Mosquito Mk VI (air-to-air only) or Ki-61-I-Tei.

Don't even begin to think you are in a morally superior position to rag on people when you use the La-7 and P-51D as your mounts of choice.

Do they turn like spit 16, no they don't, they actually have to use flaps unlike this stupid plane. You barely have to pull on the joystick and your already around on the guy, which is pretty retarted for anyone that HAS TO FLY THIS just to get kills.

[THRASH99]

Do they turn like spit 16, no they don't, they actually have to use flaps unlike this stupid plane. You barely have to pull on the joystick and your already around on the guy, which is pretty retarted for anyone that HAS TO FLY THIS just to get kills.

Plus, I only use La-7 in the Dueling Arena to fight the idiots who fly tempest and spit 16 in there, When I come into the Main Arena, I'm all about P-51D, something that actually takes skill to fly.

[Ack-Ack]

which is pretty retarted for anyone that HAS TO FLY THIS just to get kills.

The same can be said for the person that has to fly a La-7 or P-51D to get their kills.  I wonder out of the 13 or so kills you have in both planes, how many of them were 1v1 fights or you just picking others while they were engaged with another bandit?  I'm willing to bet that 100% of your kills were derived from this way.  Basically, you have no leg to stand on and each post from you is just a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Plus, I only use La-7 in the Dueling Arena to fight the idiots who fly tempest and spit 16 in there

Not true. You fly the La-7 in the late war arenas as well, don't lie and claim otherwise.  It is very easy to check to see what plane you've flown each tour.


ack-ack

[Plawranc]

P-51D...... skill plane?

 

Fastest and one of the heaviest fighters in the game. There is a reason it is named 'The Runstang'

[guncrasher]

P-51D...... skill plane?

 

Fastest and one of the heaviest fighters in the game. There is a reason it is named 'The Runstang'

anything faster than a spit is a runner .   most people that claim runner planes require more skill dont actually fly it to their best they just use them to pick and run.

but seriously the reason most guys think the spit has a never ending e, is because they try to rope in a heavier plane with the same e or just slightly higher.  spit will eat you alive, i get lots of kills like that, some wise guy will try to rope and boom, they're gone. i have come up behind some guys as far as 3k and I end up 200 behind them at the top of the loop. but most of the time i wont go up unless they're around 1.5 to 2k in front of me and for the p38 even less.  and there has been many times that I see somebody try to rope a spit, i'll come up from higher alt or with more e and kill them, then they'll start complaining on 200 about how it was an impossible kill.  when its just a different spit that got them.  I laugh so hard that I nearly piss in my pants when they start claiming that.  perking the spit16 would just be a waste of time.  really like perking the m4.  everybody that knows how to use them effectively can afford the 4 to 6 perks that it takes to use one. 

semp

[Karnak]

anything faster than a spit is a runner .

Not true.  Bf109G-14s, Bf109K-4s, F4Us and Yak-9Us are all faster than the Spitfire Mk XVI, yet I don't see any consensus that they are runners.

[Plawranc]

109s are.

Yaks and F4us not so much.

[Masherbrum]

Do they turn like spit 16, no they don't, they actually have to use flaps unlike this stupid plane. You barely have to pull on the joystick and your already around on the guy, which is pretty retarted for anyone that HAS TO FLY THIS just to get kills.

*snicker*

[Masherbrum]

Not true. You fly the La-7 in the late war arenas as well, don't lie and claim otherwise.  It is very easy to check to see what plane you've flown each tour.


ack-ack

That will leave a mark.

[guncrasher]

109s are.

Yaks and F4us not so much.

all the yaks  will do is try high speed circles ( you know the c205 thingy ), when that doesn't work, they will dive and run like hell.  same for f4u's except f4u will hover above everybody and pick or try to rope then dive away and run.  there's a few people that will actually dogfite in fast planes f4u's, la7's p38's, ponies, etc. but most will run when encountering the spits.  somebody really wants to show some skill, get a spit, hurricane, zero or whichever plane you prefer get a couple of kills and survive without running.  now that's skill.  not just roping or picking a bunch of guys, that's just patience (boring, I call it).   but perk or no perk some people are glad when they see a spit around to save/help when needed  .

semp