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Offline Treize69

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Thrust Vectoring FTW
« on: February 23, 2010, 07:53:16 AM »
A vid I came across of several Russian Sukhois using their Thrust Vectoring capabilities in a demo. Looks impressive, but imagine how disorienting this would have to be for the pilot? Not to mention of limited tactical use (aside from the fact that gives a whole new degree of control to the pilot).

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbbllw_thrust-vector-control-sukhoi_tech
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 08:34:14 AM »
As people has said in the past most of those moves look great at the airshows and as you said have extremely limited tactical use.  With that being said I still think the Flanker series are some beautiful aircraft.

FYI there is some footage of the Su-34/Su-32 Platypus (Nato: Fullback) at 1:35-1:41.  Some footage of the Su-47 Berkut (Nato: Firkin) at 2:03-2:15.
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 08:41:12 AM »
Quote from: allaire on February 23, 2010, 08:34:14 AM
As people has said in the past most of those moves look great at the airshows and as you said have extremely limited tactical use.  With that being said I still think the Flanker series are some beautiful aircraft.

FYI there is some footage of the Su-34/Su-32 Platypus (Nato: Fullback) at 1:35-1:41.  Some footage of the Su-47 Berkut (Nato: Firkin) at 2:03-2:15.
The moves themselves might be of limited tactical use but the plane itself can preform similar stalls while fighting in a dogfight
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 01:09:45 PM »
Quote from: JunkyII on February 23, 2010, 08:41:12 AM
The moves themselves might be of limited tactical use but the plane itself can preform similar stalls while fighting in a dogfight

Nothing like just slowly falling out of the sky in a dogfight while the AIM-9 comes barreling in on you.
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 02:39:38 PM »
Quote from: indy007 on February 23, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Nothing like just slowly falling out of the sky in a dogfight while the AIM-9 comes barreling in on you.

Not to mention Sukhoi's Ejection Seats.   
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 02:47:17 PM »
Whoever said Tom Cruise in Top Gun couldn't slam on the brakes... Is probably cursing at themselves since Thrust Vectoring technology came out.


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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 04:47:18 PM »

I bet the Thrust Vectoring baby can assign that nasty R73 with Helmet Mounted Sights pretty fast: 'Give that tone! Give THAT tone!..omg...' Splash... j/k


The Su-27+ planes are the sexiest modern age fighters. Really.
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 04:59:06 PM »
Quote from: indy007 on February 23, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Nothing like just slowly falling out of the sky in a dogfight while the AIM-9 comes barreling in on you.
Wheres Mace when you need him. I don't think it happens often in modern dogfights but when you get into a scissors I don't think they are only going to use missiles
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 05:05:11 PM »
Quote from: JunkyII on February 23, 2010, 04:59:06 PM
Wheres Mace when you need him. I don't think it happens often in modern dogfights but when you get into a scissors I don't think they are only going to use missiles

There are "dogfights" nowadays?   
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 05:24:09 PM »
Quote from: EskimoJoe on February 23, 2010, 02:47:17 PM
Whoever said Tom Cruise in Top Gun couldn't slam on the brakes... Is probably cursing at themselves since Thrust Vectoring technology came out.


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You do know that character and tactic was loosely based on Boyd flat plating the F100?
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 05:32:12 PM »
Quote from: JunkyII on February 23, 2010, 04:59:06 PM
Wheres Mace when you need him. I don't think it happens often in modern dogfights but when you get into a scissors I don't think they are only going to use missiles

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure the maxim speed is life is still pretty accurate. Sure, you can force an instant overshoot in a 1 vs 1... but more than that, and somebody is going to be very excited to be make you into a kill marking with the virtually impossible to miss shot you just gave up.
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 05:53:44 PM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on February 23, 2010, 05:05:11 PM
There are "dogfights" nowadays?   
They practice them at least......this looks awfully like rolling scissors to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I3tCGQkGU&feature=related


The thrust vectoring gives alot better stall control it seems so I think in this fight it would have made it easier


just saying....
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 06:02:26 PM »
Quote from: JunkyII on February 23, 2010, 05:53:44 PM
They practice them at least......this looks awfully like rolling scissors to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I3tCGQkGU&feature=related


The thrust vectoring gives alot better stall control it seems so I think in this fight it would have made it easier

just saying....

Are you going to "out stall" an AIM-120 going Mach 4 or an AIM-9X going Mach 2.5?     :confused:
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 06:08:19 PM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on February 23, 2010, 06:02:26 PM
Are you going to "out stall" an AIM-120 going Mach 4 or an AIM-9X going Mach 2.5?     :confused:

If it gets close enough for guns (or if ECM catches up with current warhead homing tech) then that extra maneuverability could make all the difference.

Every time they say "the dogfight is dead", technology levels out (or the weapons don't function properly) and we have to learn ACM all over again. Or would you rather they just get the F-104 and F-106 out of retirement?
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Re: Thrust Vectoring FTW
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 08:19:40 PM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on February 23, 2010, 06:02:26 PM
Are you going to "out stall" an AIM-120 going Mach 4 or an AIM-9X going Mach 2.5?     :confused:
Can it be shot at that distance? Honestly I dont know.
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