30mm rubber projectiles...

[EskimoJoe]

The 4 50's on the Brewster are far more deadly than this games 30mm's 

[1carbine]

I have LIT UP planes with 30mm's and nothing litup the front of a B25h and nothing (then we both pulled up to avoid the ho,he hit my belly and it didn't end well for either of us.)

[JunkyII]

The 4 50's on the Brewster are far more deadly than this games 30mm's 

Funny...but I would agree with that, but I also think they are too good. I took 1 ping to my wing from a Brew and it fell off.






The only problem with the tator dud problem.....is nobody from HTC has commented on what it actually is causing the problem. That youtube film from the OP should be enough proof that almost no fighter in the game can take a 30mm hit and still be flying fine. Ive noticed that 109s take tator hits and just get oil/rad leaks alot

[bustr]

Do my test with .50 cal and instead of one shot at a time with a 30mm, aim for the same spots and hold 1-2 sec at a time for each spot with .50 cal. Bet the .50 will be much more dangerous per burst than the single 30mm round. Think in terms of critical failure spots and dispersion along the surfaces of the wings, tail surfaces, wing root and side of cockpit. Think about the vaugaries of Internet connections to numbers of projectile hits that can be transmitted per UDP packet in ONE SECOND.

100-200 .50cal per second over the Internet have a better chance of a pilot kill than a single 30mm badly aimed.

[1carbine]

Didn't have any problem killing betty last night with them though but they where mostly well placedshots or she ran into a tree 

[AAJagerX]

Funny...but I would agree with that, but I also think they are too good. I took 1 ping to my wing from a Brew and it fell off.
Was flying around in one last night...  Didn't seem any different than any of the other .50 birds.






The only problem with the tator dud problem.....is nobody from HTC has commented on what it actually is causing the problem. That youtube film from the OP should be enough proof that almost no fighter in the game can take a 30mm hit and still be flying fine. Ive noticed that 109s take tator hits and just get oil/rad leaks alot

[Messiah]

Seems like 7/10 of tater hits to a YAK is a friggin engine hit. But I suspect that is more with the design of the YAK than a bug.

[Vinkman]

Is Fuzing time part of the issue?

Cannon shells, which explode on impact have two factors that may come into play here. The first is fuzing time. A cannon round needs a certain amount of time after being fired to arm itself or it won't explode. If fired from too close a range the round would default to a projectile with the impact engergy of it's half its mass times its velocity squared. For the 30mm 90RB German round this is 42 Kilo-Joules. For camparison the Browning 50 caliber is between 14 and 18 kilo-joules. So an unexploding 30mm would have the impact engergy of about two-three .50 cal rounds.

The second factor is impact angle. If the round hits and too shallow an angle, even though armed, it may not explode due to the detonation mechanism not activating.

Any chance that he HTC models either or both of these effects?

[Wingnutt]

i remember a pic of a 51 with a nice 30mm hole in one side and out the other of the tail.  round didnt detonate.

[Lusche]

Is Fuzing time part of the issue?

No. Fuzing delay is not modeled for guns. (Up a P-39 or 109K, drive it to a wall and fire your cannon   )

[Zuum]

i remember a pic of a 51 with a nice 30mm hole in one side and out the other of the tail.  round didnt detonate.

That projectile must have been sabotaged by TODT-workers or by italian trade union

[Ardy123]

That projectile must have been sabotaged by TODT-workers or by italian trade union

actually, funny you should bring sabotage up, toward the end of the war, the Germans were using a lot of slave labor. The slaves/concentration camp victims would frequently try to sabotage construction.

[Kazaa]

Nothing wrong with 30mm damage when I'm shooting 4 of them.

[Zuum]

actually, funny you should bring sabotage up, toward the end of the war, the Germans were using a lot of slave labor. The slaves/concentration camp victims would frequently try to sabotage construction.

The sabotage was very risky business at that time. Some slaves could do that, some couldnt.
That was not the issue.
Anyway, the 1st thread is still here.

Anything other than american ammunition is not modeled properly by ballistic point of view.

I understand that most "players" are american. I understand that most of incomes of HTC are based by americans...
I understand that entertainment is entertainment. Still, You have a choice.

I dont understand that kind of a fanatic patriotism which seems to be a standard in AH-base.
HTC is washing the history clean.

The germans had their best inventions...They were so good that americans had to rush for them at the end of the 2nd WW.
Unluckily, americans didnt won the race. Russians sent the 1st man in space.

Is this comment understood as a provocation?
 

[Lusche]

Anything other than american ammunition is not modeled properly by ballistic point of view.

I understand that most "players" are american. I understand that most of incomes of HTC are based by americans...
I understand that entertainment is entertainment. Still, You have a choice.

I dont understand that kind of a fanatic patriotism which seems to be a standard in AH-base.
HTC is washing the history clean.

You have any facts to present?