Silent Hunter 5

[Die Hard]

I'm pretty sure it says "copyright" or "©", and "all rights reserved" somewhere on the box. If you're using a copyrighted or patented work/product you are by law required to obtain a license to do so from the owner of the copyright or patent. It was common back then to just print the license in the manual or on a separate piece of paper, usual in small print because it was considered nothing more than a formality. It is only after the advent of the internet and massive copyright infringement that explicit licensing has become important for legal reasons. A copyrighted work is the property of the copyright holder, and that has been law since the Statute of Anne Copyright Act of 1709, the origin of all copyright law.

[Lusche]

and that has been law since the Statute of Anne Copyright Act of 1709, the origin of all copyright law.

Please note that I live in Germany

[Die Hard]

And the Statute of Anne was English. It is still the origin of copyright law everywhere. Even in Germany.

[Lusche]

And the Statute of Anne was English. It is still the origin of copyright law everywhere. Even in Germany.

This is true, but not the "it's law since part." 

[Serenity]

You miss the point entirely Die Hard. Lets put it this way. Do you own a laptop? Do you like to play games on that laptop? Would you like to play SH5 on that laptop? Are you ever in a physical location lacking an internet connection? Well then too bloody bad, you ain't playing the game you spent $50 on. Nowadays, 100% of my gaming is done on my laptop. (I don't think I even remember my desktop password) and most of that gaming is done sitting in a car waiting for someone, waiting for an appointment somewhere, or those few times in a meeting where I am just honestly not listening and have to need TO listen. NONE of these places come standard-equipped with internet, and I am not paying extra to get ClearWire or something else that CLAIMS to have reliable service around the world, but god only knows how true that is.

[Skuzzy]

I'll never understand people who go to great lengths to rationalize the use of DRM, regardless of how intrusive or inconvenient it is.

[Die Hard]

You miss the point entirely Die Hard. Lets put it this way. Do you own a laptop?

Yes.

Do you like to play games on that laptop? Would you like to play SH5 on that laptop?

Sure.

Would you like to play SH5 on that laptop?

Yeah, why not.

Are you ever in a physical location lacking an internet connection?

No. Never. And people who do are going the way of the dinosaur.

I'll never understand people who go to great lengths to rationalize the use of DRM, regardless of how intrusive or inconvenient it is.

Do you consider AH to be intrusive or inconvenient because it requires an internet connection to get the most out of? Why don't you guys release your server-side software so that people can set up their own servers? The answer is obvious... You make your living on the subscriptions. There is nothing wrong with that. Ubisoft do not release the whole dynamic campaign because they make their living on selling the game. Faced with a growing piracy problem Ubisoft have decided to use the same methods as MMO's to protect their games. There is nothing wrong with that.

This DRM is not intrusive or inconvenient, at least not to me, and it works (unlike other DRM schemes).

[Die Hard]

This is true, but not the "it's law since part." 

How is the Statute of Anne not a law?

It is law and has been law since 1709. I never said it was law everywhere. I'm sure there are 3rd world countries where copyright law still does not exist.

[APDrone]

Quote from: Serenity on Today at 05:01:39 AM
Are you ever in a physical location lacking an internet connection?

No. Never. And people who do are going the way of the dinosaur.

This DRM is not intrusive or inconvenient, at least not to me, and it works (unlike other DRM schemes).

Ok.. you are either employed by an internet provider/cell phone company  or hold significant stock in such, or, perhaps, work for some company providing such DRM services.

How anybody can support requiring a CONSTANT internet connection to play a STANDALONE version of a game is completely beyond my comprehension.

I manage 5 computers in my house.  EVERY piece of software is licensed, registered and legitimate.  This includes the OS, Office suites, anti-virus, photoshop elements, and a myriad of games and music.

I play by the rules. I have no problem justifying dropping $50 to purchase ( license ) a game for my enjoyment. The company deserves to be paid for their product. And if I'm subscribing to an on-line game, I have no problem with the online requirements.. duh, it's an ONLINE game.

The problem with SH5 is that it ISN'T an online game.  It makes NO sense to require a law-abiding customer to be constantly logged in to play in solo mode.

[Die Hard]

Ok.. you are either employed by an internet provider/cell phone company  or hold significant stock in such, or, perhaps, work for some company providing such DRM services.

I'm an attorney. Litigation mostly.

The problem with SH5 is that it ISN'T an online game.  It makes NO sense to require a law-abiding customer to be constantly logged in to play in solo mode.

Actually it is; they've purposely made it an online game... Even if you're playing alone online.

Why do I support it?

1. Unlike other DRM schemes, it works.

2. Unlike other DRM schemes it doesn't mess with your drivers or operating system.

3. Piracy is a big problem for the PC as a gaming platform. I support the game industry's efforts in curbing piracy because PC gaming will die if game makers turns to those God awful consoles. It's already happening; the piracy-ridden PC is becoming unprofitable as a gaming platform.


If you're travelling a lot a mobile broadband connection is what you need. As long as I have cell phone coverage I have an internet connection. Anyone still on dial-up are dinosaurs and not even worthy of consideration for the gaming industry. As a demographic they're insignificant.

[Rino]

     A lawyer...what a stunning surprise 

[Die Hard]

You don't like lawyers?

[NOT]

 Anyone still on dial-up are dinosaurs and not even worthy of consideration for the gaming industry. As a demographic they're insignificant.

obviously you dont get out of the city much . there many, many, many, many, many, rural areas that are still stuck with dial-up. did i mention, many rural areas. this is a very ignorant and elitist statement on your part. oh wait, your a lawyer




NOT

[Die Hard]

Many rural areas without cell phone coverage?





Even if you're in one of those few white and red areas with no coverage there are broadband satellite internet available at affordable prices.

[Skuzzy]

So, assuming the piracy argument is valid, and please do not bother with all the stats.  They can be drawn anyway you need them to be drawn.

Instead of going after the pirates, let's just impose restrictions on everyone to make it more difficult and inconvenient to use the software.

Like I said, I will never understand the mentality that supports that approach, nor will I support it.