New arena-No icons- axis v allies rotating balance Plane sets No F3

[Karnak]

I argue against no icons not because I haven't flown without icons, but because I have.

[fudgums]

Nr RaVeN,

I have flown with no icons.  Chase the dot sucked.

You've tried it one time, what was the plane set? I flew in the FSO off week event and tested it in the AvA quite a few times.

YOUR EXPERIENCE MEANS NOTHING!!

I'm hoping thats sarcasm  

[Bronk]

You've tried it one time, what was the plane set? I flew in the FSO off week event and tested it in the AvA quite a few times. I'm hoping thats sarcasm  

It will not work in the MAs for timidity reasons. People now complain about bombers bailing when you get within icon range. No icon they just bail when they see a dot.... oooooo what fun.

[Karnak]

I have tried it more than once.  "Chase the dot." sums up the experience across multiple tries.

[Nr_RaVeN]

Sorry its not for you .
 
Seems like plenty don't see it that way.  Been some great posts from those in the AVA  recently. 
 like I said to each there own.
 If you don't like it don't do it. Other than that get out of the way.
 Why try to prevent it for those that can hang with it?

[BIG ICON]GUYS THIS WOULD BE A BY CHOICE AREANA, NOT THE MAIN AREANA get that point yet?[BIG ICON]
didn't you read the post? 


 

[gyrene81]

It will not work in the MAs for timidity reasons.

That is the first thing you have said that I won't argue with since it's true...on the other hand as you and Karnak have obviously avoided addressing the question I'll put you on the spot...wouldn't the argument be reversed if AH had been made so that no enemy icons was the default setting and wouldn't you be arguing against turning them on if that were the case?

I have flown with no icons.  Chase the dot sucked.

Karnak, you chase the dots anyway...dots in the air more than 6k away and red and green dots on the clipboard...we all chase the dots in one form or another every time we get in the game.

[Bronk]

[BIG ICON]GUYS THIS WOULD BE A BY CHOICE AREANA, NOT THE MAIN AREANA get that point yet?[BIG ICON]
didn't you read the post? 


 

You have a choice now is what you fail to get. It is about your immersion and not others immersion right?

[Bronk]

Ohh another little tidbit you all might enjoy.

 A closer representation of normal vission perception is the default gun zoom. But it leaves you with out any perfial vision.

There is no way to display real vesion in computer graphics, The resolution of a monitor is just not capable of displaying objects as they apear in real life.

Note this was pre spell check.

[Ghosth]

No one, and I repeat NO ONE is advocating taking icons away from the main arena.

That does not mean that they can not be used in several other venue's.

[fudgums]

It will not work in the MAs for timidity reasons. People now complain about bombers bailing when you get within icon range. No icon they just bail when they see a dot.... oooooo what fun.

I don't think I said MAs, and I don't think anyone said MA either. Nr raven asked for an arena with no icons, not the MA with no icons.

[Bronk]

Ohh look more info.

It never is smaller than in real life.

Near or far makes no differences, it all has to do with view angle.
But what is different is the amount of detail do to pixels on the screen that you can see on the aircraft.

To calc an object size in pixels use the following. Btw did it off top of my head, so hoping the calc is correct.

((Wingspan /  DistanceAway)  / tan(FOV/2) ) * (ScreenWidth / 2) = Number Of pixels.

So in my 30ft wing & 15ft dist with 90 deg FOV

(30 / 15 * (1024 / 2)) / 1 = 1024 I.E. entire screen

At aprox  yards the plane is now 1 pixel across on the scree.

At 1200 yards the plane is only 4 pixels in size, now the problem is you can't see any detail with only 4 pixels on a computer screen.


HiTech

[Bronk]

I don't think I said MAs, and I don't think anyone said MA either. Nr raven asked for an arena with no icons, not the MA with no icons.

And when numbers fail to show in the AvA (cuz the AvA is always packed now)... the next wish will be?
I can see it for FSO and scenarios as it adds a bit of "fog of war" aspect.

[wsveum]

Well i the thing of icon choice. I like the idea of having arena with no enemy icons. I flew in the AvA today for about 4 1/2 hours and I did find it harder, but I do like the idea. It just will take time to get use to not having the icons there. But I'm one person that likes the idea of no enemy icons and even limit the range that you see friendly icons. I just like the challenge of doing it that way the same as the challenge of getting better at GVing and bombing and flying a fighter. It will be just one more thing to learn and get use to doing. I would just like to see a arena with no enemy icons so that I have that choice. That everyone in that arena would be playing the same way. Not just me turning off my icons. I just think it would be fun to have the choice. Plus I like the Idea of AvA,  two sides fighting against each other to win. just not to furball and camp. But that is just the way I want to play, not everyone wants to play that way. I really do not care for the arcade type settings. So lets just have another choice on how to play this great game.
aka: Bison

[Motherland]

And when numbers fail to show in the AvA (cuz the AvA is always packed now)... the next wish will be?
I can see it for FSO and scenarios as it adds a bit of "fog of war" aspect.

Actually there were 30 people in the AvA tonight with no enemy icons.

[fudgums]

And when numbers fail to show in the AvA (cuz the AvA is always packed now)... the next wish will be?
I can see it for FSO and scenarios as it adds a bit of "fog of war" aspect.

Numbers in the AvA is a totally different subject.