FIX the 50 cal PLZ!!!

[THRASH99]

Every plane or some has 50 cal, for example P-51D. The only thing is, 50 cal is way harder and stronger and shouldn't be like BB's hitting the plane, it should only take about 20 shots to nail a guy, instead they're like BB's and taking up to 150 rounds. PLZ HTC, fix 50 cal!!

[Saxman]

1) Double-check your convergence
2) When you set your convergence, make sure you have it set to a point at the range at which you fire
3) Fire AT your convergence range
4) If you're shooting at 800 yards you're shooting too far out

I snapshot wings off P-47s with .50cal with no trouble whatsoever. It's all a matter of convergence and range.

[SlapShot]

What he said ... ^^^^^

If the stars align correctly, I have no problem getting 5+ kills in an FM2 or more in an F6F with some ammo to spare for the ride home.

.50 cals hitting at the convergence point is like a buzzsaw and will slice thru any wing with ease.

[Krusty]

I've got 5-6 kills in a P-51B (4 guns) without reload. I've got 5 or so kills in an F4F (4 guns) without reload.

It's definitely not the gun.

[Wolfala]

Thrash,

just for arguments sake, since I'm
a card carrying serial killer in the P-47 with full ammo .50s, take an A-20 up with 25% fuel. Go find a spitfire who is playing with himself. Squeeze the trigger at 600 meters - see what happens.

I bet, either he gets masafuk'd within 1/2 a second, or you probally took a wing. Next try a 38, same setup. Then go to a P-47, set yr inside convergence to 475 and yr outside convergence to 425. Report back. If yr still having trouble, I'll ride jumpseat with ya and do some instructor student time. 

[vonKrimm]

Every plane or some has 50 cal, for example P-51D. The only thing is, 50 cal is way harder and stronger and shouldn't be like BB's hitting the plane, it should only take about 20 shots to nail a guy, instead they're like BB's and taking up to 150 rounds. PLZ HTC, fix 50 cal!!

How good are you at shooting?  If only 10% of the rounds you fire in that theoretical bust of 150 hit the target, then only 15 bullets actually hit the target; 5 less than your stated 20 need to get a kill.

BTW, your hit% in fighters is a tad over 5%; thus you would need to fire about 398 rounds to get your 20 hits. 

Like Saxman said, check your convergence & fire at your convergence; also, practice in the off-line arenas to get better at your gunnery. 

[Ack-Ack]

Every plane or some has 50 cal, for example P-51D. The only thing is, 50 cal is way harder and stronger and shouldn't be like BB's hitting the plane, it should only take about 20 shots to nail a guy, instead they're like BB's and taking up to 150 rounds. PLZ HTC, fix 50 cal!!

The problem isn't the guns, it's the shooter.  You're not hitting your target at the convergence point and I also wouldn't be surprised if you're just spraying and praying for a hit, which is just nothing but a waste of ammo.  Set your convergence a little closer (between 600 and 400yds) and learn how to lead the target with your gunsight and not with your tracers.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

I would go further and say never set convergence past 350, even in 50cal planes. 300 being better. Less than this is generally counter-productive in 50cal planes.

EDIT: It goes without saying, but I'll say it just in case: Once you set CONVERGENCE to 300/350, then it follows you should only SHOOT around 300/350.

Setting convergence to 600 and firing at 200 is bad, but setting it to 300 and firing at 600 is also bad. Figure out what distance you get kills at, and set to that! The caveat is "if it's more than 400, you're doing it wrong"

[USCH]

my gunnery sucks !!!! HTC fix it now!!!!

[Steve]

Every plane or some has 50 cal, for example P-51D. The only thing is, 50 cal is way harder and stronger and shouldn't be like BB's hitting the plane, it should only take about 20 shots to nail a guy, instead they're like BB's and taking up to 150 rounds. PLZ HTC, fix 50 cal!!

Hmm.  I shot down a p38 last night w/ 14 .50 bullets while flyin a p51D  

Your hit % over the last few tours has been between 5 and 6%. For this conversation, let's say your hit % is 6. If you fire 150 rounds to kill a plane and you are hitting with 6% of those rounds, you are killing thast plane with 9 rounds. Are you sure you want HTC to double the hardness of airplanes by making them die with 20 hits?

[Motherland]

The M2 is probably the deadliest gun in the game...

[Saxman]

The M2 is probably the deadliest gun in the game...

Considering the Hispano has greater hitting power with very similar accuracy, ballistics and muzzle velocity I'd really have to say that it beats out the Ma Deuce, but its definitely #2 when considering the relevant factors (accuracy, hitting power, ballistics, muzzle velocity, rate of fire, and ammunition load).

[Motherland]

Ah yes I forgot the Hispano...
So yea, second deadliest

[Nemisis]

I would go further and say never set convergence past 350, even in 50cal planes. 300 being better. Less than this is generally counter-productive in 50cal planes.

Not true, I get hits at D450 plenty of times and have people down at D600 when I'm having a lucky day, and if you're making a slashing pass at a spit, the only distance I seem to get a broadside shot at him is at D400-450.

That said, if you're new, set your convergance for a small range (D275, D300, D235, from the outside on in. I have my inside pair set to D450 to give me a bit of long range shooting, so I can get a 190D9 or an La7 to stop running and make a turn, but thats only when you have gunnery down)

EDIT: It goes without saying, but I'll say it just in case: Once you set CONVERGENCE to 300/350, then it follows you should only SHOOT around 300/350.

Dead on, shoot at you're convergance setting. You can give them around 50yds variation IMO (if you have your guns set to point convergance at D350, I'll take shots at D300/D400 at the outside unless its just a beautiful shot I can't pass up)

 The caveat is "if it's more than 400, you're doing it wrong"

If you're new, or are just a terrible shot.

[THRASH99]

The problem isn't the guns, it's the shooter.  You're not hitting your target at the convergence point and I also wouldn't be surprised if you're just spraying and praying for a hit, which is just nothing but a waste of ammo.  Set your convergence a little closer (between 600 and 400yds) and learn how to lead the target with your gunsight and not with your tracers.

ack-ack

That's what I've been doing, I set and practice my shooting. I've been behind a 109 before, 400yds out, and it seriously wouldn't do anything to him, till about 200 rounds later he finally lost a wing.