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Offline TwinEng

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2010, 11:12:06 AM »
very true.

japan's self-enforced isolation led to a culture of seeing other races as subhuman also. this is why few japanese soldiers at that time gave little thought to killing/torturing/maltreating all chinese during the rape of nanking. live chinese civilians and POW were used for "bayonet practice" and to help instill "yamato damashii" in new japanese army recruits. in french-indochina, when "local provisioning" became insufficient in the later years of the war, indo-pakistani POW's were eaten/cannibalized by japanese troops. they would cut and cook ears, nose, lips, fingers first and tie up the POW- this to keep him alive and for his meat to remain fresh(if he dies his meat turns bad faster in tropical heat.) later they would get the very same person(still alive but missing previous parts) and cut his thigh meat, buttocks, chest. last to be taken are internal organs, the liver in most cases which ultimately leads to the POW's death.

Exactly on target.  Imperial Japan was probably the most racist nation on the entire planet.   Even more so than Nazi Germany.

To try to equate the USA's behavior in WWII to that of Japan is outlandish at best, and anti-American at worst, in my opinion.

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2010, 11:16:38 AM »
:furious :furious  dont have HBO here and wasnt going to get it just to watch this show, ive heard its really good and well directed, hopefully it will come out on a DVD collection soon©™

Too bad.   There were numerous promotions in recent months with cable and satellite operators offering special limited time huge discounts on signing up for HBO at only a fraction of the normal cost.  I got on with Comcast, and I can cancel my HBO at any time with no penalty.   So once the Pacific is over, I have no obligation at all to keep HBO.

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« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2010, 12:00:38 PM »
http://www.hbo.com/the-pacific/index.html

thanks for the link rusty!
that was INTENSE! and its just episode 1!

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« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2010, 12:40:18 PM »
someone else posted it on page 4 I think  :D
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« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2010, 12:56:03 PM »
Yeah I remember hearing about that coup attempt. History did a special about how it was partially thwarted by a B-29 raid.

the kyujo incident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_Incident

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Re: Pacific
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2010, 02:48:51 PM »
Sorry, but I do not bother to read such utter garbage.   Authors who want to re-write history to make the USA look to be no different than Japan in terms of morality or culpability are liberal trash in my mind.

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This "garbage" is not revisionist history.  The author is a professor of history at MIT, a Pulitzer Prize winner, and a recognized authority on the subject.  The first time you see the picture of U.S. Marines boiling Japanese skulls on Guadalcanal to make keepsakes to send back home, you'll understand that the U.S. Marines were capable of some pretty horrendous stuff.  He also analyzes American and Japanese propaganda during the war.  If you actually read the book, you'll see that he does not subscribe any culpability for the war to the U.S, nor does he try and pass judgment on anyone.  His point in the book is to only highlight the racism perpetuated by both sides of the conflict, and how it contributed to the extreme brutality of the PTO conflict, created the "no-quarter" relationship between the two sides, and ultimately increased the violence and casualties that resulted when compared to western-front ETO.

I was a military history major, and I am a former U.S. Marine officer, and in my opinion, this book is a "must" read for anyone wanting to have a rational understanding of the Pacific war.  I am sorry that you're not open minded enough to consider this as worthwhile reading because I don't think any opinion on the prosecution of the Pacific campaign can be considered outside of the context of the racial differences between Japan and the Allies.
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Re: Pacific
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2010, 03:02:10 PM »
To add to Stoney's post, did you bother actually WATCHING the video link I posted? That was actually comparatively mild compared to some of the anti-Japanese propaganda the US was using at the time.
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« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2010, 03:51:34 PM »
Exactly on target.  Imperial Japan was probably the most racist nation on the entire planet.   Even more so than Nazi Germany.

To try to equate the USA's behavior in WWII to that of Japan is outlandish at best, and anti-American at worst, in my opinion.

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Ok, i just want to know one thing, how possibly can you be more racist then Nazi Germany. Japan didnt even come close to Nazi Germany. You are aware of the fact that Nazis put hordes of people into the friggin owen right.
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« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2010, 03:54:07 PM »
can see it here 4 free
http://www.fancast.com/tv/The-Pacific/101664/1424689664/The-Pacific-Part-One-%28HBO%29/videos?cmpid=FCST_hp_xfinitytv
or here
http://www.hbo.com/the-pacific/index.html
Only thing is I think that there just giving episode 1 out for free, kinda giving people a taste for it so they'll order HBO to see the rest, I'll be shocked if they put the rest of the series out for free after spending 200 million to make it.
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« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2010, 03:54:58 PM »
Twinengine..........really?
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« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2010, 04:04:28 PM »
Only thing is I think that there just giving episode 1 out for free, kinda giving people a taste for it so they'll order HBO to see the rest, I'll be shocked if they put the rest of the series out for free after spending 200 million to make it.

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« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2010, 04:11:33 PM »
                 yup  :furious


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« Reply #103 on: March 18, 2010, 04:28:16 PM »
This "garbage" is not revisionist history.  The author is a professor of history at MIT, a Pulitzer Prize winner, and a recognized authority on the subject.  The first time you see the picture of U.S. Marines boiling Japanese skulls on Guadalcanal to make keepsakes to send back home, you'll understand that the U.S. Marines were capable of some pretty horrendous stuff.  He also analyzes American and Japanese propaganda during the war.  If you actually read the book, you'll see that he does not subscribe any culpability for the war to the U.S, nor does he try and pass judgment on anyone.  His point in the book is to only highlight the racism perpetuated by both sides of the conflict, and how it contributed to the extreme brutality of the PTO conflict, created the "no-quarter" relationship between the two sides, and ultimately increased the violence and casualties that resulted when compared to western-front ETO.

I was a military history major, and I am a former U.S. Marine officer, and in my opinion, this book is a "must" read for anyone wanting to have a rational understanding of the Pacific war.  I am sorry that you're not open minded enough to consider this as worthwhile reading because I don't think any opinion on the prosecution of the Pacific campaign can be considered outside of the context of the racial differences between Japan and the Allies.

Being an MIT Professor hardly mean a thing actually. Pulitzer prize winners rate no higher these days either. Sadly most anything can fit in those catagories.


As for the movie... I'll wait till it comes out on other channels to see it. That is if I hear it's good or interesting. I'm not a fan of HBO.
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Re: Pacific
« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2010, 06:38:09 PM »
Ok, i just want to know one thing, how possibly can you be more racist then Nazi Germany. Japan didnt even come close to Nazi Germany. You are aware of the fact that Nazis put hordes of people into the friggin owen right.

That's just the Germans being their typical efficient industrious selves. How you murder people have no bearing on your motivation for doing so. The Japanese killed 20-odd million Chinese, mostly civilians, and half a million of them died in medical experiments.
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